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OccultHawk 10-17-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2139800)
Overpopulation does not exist. It was only proposed to justify abject poverty as a rule of life.

Then it’s subsequently impossible for manmade environmental calamities to exist. Mankind being essential to manmade. Saying that makes you a climate change denier.

Frownland 10-17-2020 09:14 AM

Now you're getting it!

Frownland 10-17-2020 09:24 AM

Nope. Cause and effect.

OccultHawk 10-17-2020 09:31 AM

The problem isn’t that my apartment has roaches. The problem is that roaches are dirty. Imma teach the roaches how to take a shower and presto we’re all good.

And anyway, if you make sure conditions are optimized for them they’ll breed only up to the point that they cover every inch of your place. After that it levels out. No problem. Fixes itself.

OccultHawk 10-17-2020 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2139804)
is it not possible

hear me out

to stop building cars?

It is, in fact, entirely impossible, to be human and not consume. In fact, the same rule applies to every living organism on earth. Baffling.

OccultHawk 10-17-2020 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2139808)
you don't even want to try the sustainable consumption model?

even though it's the only possible ethical answer

there's no population control that isn't either a nightmare, or useless

You cannot sustain 7.5 billion. It’s not my fault that it’s inconvenient and a ****ing nightmare. Nature doesn’t always come with a built in ethical solution. It just exists. There’s not a key for every lock. Everything doesn’t always work out. We ****ed up and now we pay. There’s no escape. It can either be existential or almost existential. There’s an infinity of difference.

I know you don’t want to see it and therefore you can’t. There’s no other explanation than it’s an intellectual shortcoming. And that’s universally across the board for every denialist.

Frownland 10-17-2020 09:51 AM

That's why we're invading space.

OccultHawk 10-17-2020 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2139809)
kinda yikesy metaphor

Yes. If there’s a eugenic link that can be made it has to be wrong. It cannot be right. It must not even be considered.

Yikesy has no bearing on truth. Roaches and people are both biological organisms. You are no better than a roach. If that’s misanthropic so be it. It’s still the incredibly super obvious truth.

OccultHawk 10-17-2020 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2139815)
in this metaphor you're the rightful owner

and you have an (((infestation)))

what's the point in even preserving humanity if it's by something as horrific as eugenics

I’m not even admitting that it is eugenics but as is my style I will own it anyway.

The reason is after the population is culled humanity can learn its lesson and exists for thousands and thousands of generations and do incredible things.

Just like I’m not going to kill myself now because Hitler killed Jews then.

And I don’t even care if it makes me a Hitler. That still doesn’t make it untrue. It’s just makes it untenable to those who lack the fortitude to face it.

Anteater 10-17-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2139817)
I’m not even admitting that it is eugenics but as is my style I will own it anyway.

The reason is after the population is culled humanity can learn its lesson and exists for thousands and thousands of generations and do incredible things.

Just like I’m not going to kill myself now because Hitler killed Jews then.

And I don’t even care if it makes me a Hitler. That still doesn’t make it untrue. It’s just makes it untenable to those who lack the fortitude to face it.

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