Should Felons be allowed to own guns?

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 05:14 PM

it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the labouring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed

-MAO

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the absolute LARP

Ain’t nobody wanna be looking at the business end of it I’ll tell you that.

OccultHawk · 08-23-2020, 07:04 PM

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Do you really become a second-class citizen in the US if you lose your gun rights?

I mean maybe maybe not. Having a special set of laws that inhibit your rights is pretty damn second classy but if you also had millions of dollars that would be enough to buy your way out of it.

Still it’s a part of a bigger issue. A person is out. Let them get on with their ****ing life. It shouldn’t be a question on job applications or rental terms and all that. You could accuse me of using the slippery slope fallacy but shrug i think it applies.

I’ll give an anecdotal one. I worked with a really nice guy who had served his time for murder. He grew up in Miami. Was forced into a gang. A series of events that were all very unfortunate befell on him. He killed someone but he still had a heart of gold.

I’m not really making my case here. I think I already did that. It’s just that this country is so unjust, right from birth, I don’t think having a record has much at all to do with your true disposition.

08-23-2020, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I mean maybe maybe not. Having a special set of laws that inhibit your rights is pretty damn second classy but if you also had millions of dollars that would be enough to buy your way out of it.

Still it’s a part of a bigger issue. A person is out. Let them get on with their ****ing life. It shouldn’t be a question on job applications or rental terms and all that. You could accuse me of using the slippery slope fallacy but shrug i think it applies.

I’ll give an anecdotal one. I worked with a really nice guy who had served his time for murder. He grew up in Miami. Was forced into a gang. A series of events that were all very unfortunate befell on him. He killed someone but he still had a heart of gold.

I’m not really making my case here. I think I already did that. It’s just that this country is so unjust, right from birth, I don’t think having a record has much at all to do with your true disposition.

just saw this. I agree.

I grew up in ****ty neighborhoods and know people that were in the same place as me in life at 20 who won't get out for another 10 years. The program I am in takes in/helps people either on parole/probation or with pending court cases. I know someone right now who is looking at 2 years cause he's a felon and got in a fight with his brother.

08-23-2020, 07:16 PM

More likely to go commit a gun crime with the legally purchased gun that can be traced back to them if it is used in a serious crime? You sure about that?

08-23-2020, 07:21 PM

There's such a thing as ballistic forensics. Cops can trace a bullet to a given gun based on the imprint it leaves. That's why the vast majority of random murders are carried out with illegal weapons with a scratched off serial number that has been scrubbed for prints and thrown in the river.

08-23-2020, 07:28 PM

That typically happens with domestic it personal shootings, and those offenders have a low enough recitivism rate that the claim they are more likely to shoot someone else is pretty dubious. Is your only reasoning basically once a murderer always a murderer?

OccultHawk · 08-24-2020, 09:19 AM

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felons with repeated convictions, and especially of gun-related crimes, are banned from having guns if judged best for public safety

I’m sure they’ll happily oblige.

SGR · 08-24-2020, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I’m sure they’ll happily oblige.

OccultHawk · 08-25-2020, 04:39 AM

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Gov. Ron DeSantis’ office paid prominent Washington law firm Cooper & Kirk $250,000 to defend the state’s law banning people convicted of felonies from voting before they’ve paid off all court fees, fines and restitution to victims.

Of course they make sure those fees and fines are almost impossible to get paid off

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08-23-2020, 07:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
jwb Guest Posts: n/a	More likely to go commit a gun crime with the legally purchased gun that can be traced back to them if it is used in a serious crime? You sure about that?

08-23-2020, 07:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
jwb Guest Posts: n/a	There's such a thing as ballistic forensics. Cops can trace a bullet to a given gun based on the imprint it leaves. That's why the vast majority of random murders are carried out with illegal weapons with a scratched off serial number that has been scrubbed for prints and thrown in the river.

08-23-2020, 07:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
jwb Guest Posts: n/a	That typically happens with domestic it personal shootings, and those offenders have a low enough recitivism rate that the claim they are more likely to shoot someone else is pretty dubious. Is your only reasoning basically once a murderer always a murderer?