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Old 12-22-2021, 08:26 AM   #171 (permalink)
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More or less. Making your voice heard and educating people (maybe yourself) in the process is a pretty essential approach that I was trying to get at. Saying that we both want and can do certain things (or that we refuse to accept others) by directly speaking to your social circle and leaders to familiarize and potentially spread your ideas can be useful. Centrism is not.

I consider the government to be acting counter to democracy while being upheld by these democratic barriers though. The attitude that you take what you get in a time like this is essentially shrugging your shoulders at brownshirts. Like one of them said: "this will always remain one of the best jokes of democracy, that it gave its deadly enemies the means by which it was destroyed."

I think it would be more effective for bad things to happen to billionaires than politicians fwiw.
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Old 12-22-2021, 08:56 AM   #172 (permalink)
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The wisdom is this. This 50/50 deadlock only allows a sort of incrimental movement toward a set of twin apocalypses. And it's this minor movement that makes people:

1. Not vote - a la 2000, or 2020 with a "they're all corrupt!" mantra
2. Think that civic engagement doesn't matter
3. Question everything, even beyond government, to include vaccines, wind turbines, change in general

I'm tired of trying to save these morons from themselves. I want DeSantis in. Let him stack the court until only reform is realistic. Let him repeal every COVID public health measure. I'll hang inside another 6 months and let the next variant wipe out entire industries to the point that we're begging south america to send people. Let the Handmaids Tale party allow for bounty hunters to kill unwed women over 40 as spinster whores.

One of two outcomes occurs. The Country sinks, or the "I just wish politics wasn't so nasty" crowd has to make a choice. This country is beyond saving. And anti-vaxx freakshow doesn't deserve any protection. I want them to ship more Midwestern jobs overseas, and allow them to have bazookas, and classify birth control as a Class A substance.

If people didn't wake up when they made it illegal to give water to people waiting to vote

If people didn't wake up when we hit 800,000 COVID deaths

If people didn't wake up when the 5th review of the Arizona recount confirmed a Biden win

If people didn't wake up when yet another hurricane takes out Texas or Florida, then **** 'em. If the choice is give us liberty or give us death, I choose death.
Bolded: if this isn't just you trolling (and you aren't known for that so I don't think it is) it comes across as monumentally selfish, man. You're pissed off so let everyone die? You'll stay inside while those around you pop off, and hope everything will be better when you come out? You may choose death but you're not entitled to choose it for everyone else. I have to say, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you had more moral fibre than that.
Trump says "we must heal"? Have I just fallen into an alternate universe???
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There have been third party candidates in the past, most successfully, Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party in 1912. He didn't win but he did garner more votes and electoral votes than the Republican incumbent, William Howard Taft. Others who ran haven't been as successful, but a few have been able to influence the election for the eventual winner (Wallace for Nixon, Nader for Bush).

We have plenty of various political parties in the US, but the Dems and GOP have had a lock on the populace (mostly by raising money) for well over a hundred years now. I think people really want a Centrist party since neither party is willing to nominate someone closer to the center (say what you will about Biden, but, trust me, he does swing left). Unfortunately, the major parties have always found a way to keep the other parties out.

Would be interesting to see a Manchin or even a Romney run as an independent. Don't think either could win, but they could possibly make some noise, much like Ross Perot did in 1992. (And, to a lesser extent, 1996).
I'm gonna end up engaging your services at some point for my history of America journal. You certainly seem to have compacted all your excrement into one large mass in the one place.
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Old 12-22-2021, 09:01 AM   #173 (permalink)
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American history, particularly Presidential history, is something of a hobby of mine.
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Old 12-22-2021, 09:05 AM   #174 (permalink)
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Like I say, you really got your **** together.
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Old 12-22-2021, 10:08 AM   #175 (permalink)
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You don't have a plan so you don't get to make that criticism. But maybe get into labor organizing to build some actual power so you don't have to pretend incrementalism qualifies as a plan.
Oh a labor movement! Why didn't we think of that!

https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...ll-2021-12-20/

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Bolded: if this isn't just you trolling (and you aren't known for that so I don't think it is) it comes across as monumentally selfish, man. You're pissed off so let everyone die? You'll stay inside while those around you pop off, and hope everything will be better when you come out? You may choose death but you're not entitled to choose it for everyone else. I have to say, I'm disappointed in you. I thought you had more moral fibre than that.

It's not.

The reason society is moving so far out of whack is that they've had it too easy for too long. The generation that built a Global Liberal Democracy survived the depression and World War 2. They knew what real threats were and they decided to never allow them to happen again. They marched to the polio vaccine lines.

This generation thinks that food and peace will always be there. There's no getting through to them. Have you talked to these morons? Look at these ****ing people - you try getting through to them.

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There have been third-party candidates in the past, most successfully, Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party in 1912. He didn't win but he did garner more votes and electoral votes than the Republican incumbent, William Howard Taft. Others who ran haven't been as successful, but a few have been able to influence the election for the eventual winner (Wallace for Nixon, Nader for Bush).

We have plenty of various political parties in the US, but the Dems and GOP have had a lock on the populace (mostly by raising money) for well over a hundred years now. I think people really want a Centrist party since neither party is willing to nominate someone closer to the center (say what you will about Biden, but, trust me, he does swing left). Unfortunately, the major parties have always found a way to keep the other parties out.

Would be interesting to see a Manchin or even a Romney run as an independent. Don't think either could win, but they could possibly make some noise, much like Ross Perot did in 1992. (And, to a lesser extent, 1996).
TR as a Third Party Candidate is a bit misleading. He had been President before. That's not a good test-case for a third party run. He also gave us, as a result of his run, Wilson as President, and that was a fairly miserable administration.

As Gore Vidal said - There are only two parties in the US. Jefferson and Hamilton. The People vs. Institutions. And no matter how you slice it - that's the end result. This moronic idea that "we need to end the duopoly!" is said by people who only read half the book. To offer some olive branch here, Vidal also believes there's only one political party in the US - The Corporate Party in which Democrats and Republicans are just wings of this party.

It will always be People vs. Institutions. There is no other option. And Centrism, to this end is just the very American practice of dividing up power. Three branches of government. 50 states. 12 national banks. Market, market, market.

There is no 3rd party. There will be no third party. Have you ever looked at the Green Partys foreign policy? It's unhinged. The Libertarians in general aren't a serious group - they might as well be the Hogwarts party.
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Old 12-22-2021, 10:10 AM   #176 (permalink)
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Getting progressively less inventive with the cryptofascism.
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Getting progressively less inventive with the cryptofascism.
What do you know about being inventive? Your entire internet persona reads like it was written to star in a Gen X film.
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Old 12-22-2021, 10:22 AM   #178 (permalink)
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Enough to recognize uninventive fascist rhetoric.
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Old 12-22-2021, 10:24 AM   #179 (permalink)
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Anyway, since this is a Joe Biden Love Thread, might as well share the wholesome news that Joe got a pawsome new First Pupper for the Oval Pawfice. The doggo's name is Major and it's giving us all the feels. Now if I only knew how to remove this screenshot.

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Old 12-22-2021, 11:59 AM   #180 (permalink)
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That's Commander, you doofus. Major is a dog they already have.
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