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Old 10-20-2021, 10:41 AM   #61 (permalink)
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That's a good, solid analysis of how the candidacy for the next election is playing out, SGR !

I agree that with the GOP swallowing 2 impeachments like children under threat taking their medicine, the Jan 6th Commission is unlikely to come up with that "political killshot" you mention. But also, as you say, it's working to Dems advantage for as long as the investigation is in the news. Drip by drip, it's driving home the message; this was a coup to overthrow the results of an election and disrupt the peaceful transition of power.

Trump & Biden both have age working against them, and my suspicion is that Trump would prefer to be "kingmaker" in Mar-a-lago than actual President. For a guy who likes golf and cable tv, I bet in many ways he's glad to be out of the Oval Office with all its tedious responsibilities.

I'd forgotten how he scuppered the Republican turn-out of voters in Georgia -once in the run-offs, I think, and again with his "vote for Stacey Abrams" message. And clearly, SGR, you are not on the Trump supporter's mailing list, or you would've seen this, just a week ago (Oct 13):-

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"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24," Trump said in a statement emailed to his supporters on Wednesday.

"It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do," he added
I'm hoping you're wrong with your prediction of the infrastructure bills failing. Certainly, that will spell disaster for the Dems, as will the voter supression issues if they don't do something to counteract what the GOP is currently doing state by state to skew or overturn election results. As if two ways of catastrophic failure weren't enough, the Biden admin also needs to show some progress on the economic recovery if they want to be invited back next term.

A prediction of yours that I'm happier with: AOC for President! That would be something to see!

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Old 10-20-2021, 11:00 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Call me a pessimist but I have faith in the American people- that we will screw it up yet again.

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But also, as you say, it's working to Dems advantage for as long as the investigation is in the news. Drip by drip, it's driving home the message; this was a coup to overthrow the results of an election and disrupt the peaceful transition of power.
With the average American having the attention span of a housefly, I wouldn't count on it.

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Trump & Biden both have age working against them, and my suspicion is that Trump would prefer to be "kingmaker" in Mar-a-lago than actual President. For a guy who likes golf and cable tv, I bet in many ways he's glad to be out of the Oval Office with all its tedious responsibilities.
Nah, his ego won't let him stay at Mar-a-Lago. He will run again, and he'll likely be elected again, because, again, the average American has the attention span...



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I'm hoping you're wrong with your prediction of the infrastructure bills failing.
I'm afraid they already have. Two Democrats who aren't really Democrats have already said no to much of the bills. With our luck, we'll be lucky to fix the cities' potholes.

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Certainly, that will spell disaster for the Dems, as will the voter suppression issues if they don't do something to counteract what the GOP is currently doing state by state to skew or overturn election results. As if two ways of catastrophic failure weren't enough, the Biden admin also needs to show some progress on the economic recovery if they want to be invited back next term.
We can overcome the voter suppression issues if enough people come out to vote. They might have to be a little more vocal as well. I still think the deciding issue will be if they get the Covid crisis under control. I think the economy will take care of itself but people are only going to wear masks for so long.

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A prediction of yours that I'm happier with: AOC for President! That would be something to see!
Not a chance. Not only is she way too easy to demonize, she refuses to compromise even with mainstream liberals and her politics makes Bernie Sanders look like a Reaganite.
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Old 10-20-2021, 11:39 AM   #63 (permalink)
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I'm afraid they already have. Two Democrats who aren't really Democrats have already said no to much of the bills. With our luck, we'll be lucky to fix the cities' potholes.
... still negotiating though, so some hope left. A drastically reduced bill could still work as a thin end of the wedge; that gets passed, Dems survive the midterms and pass a bit more. Admitedly, one problem with this scenario is that I haven't heard anyone else suggest it

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Not a chance. Not only is she way too easy to demonize, she refuses to compromise even with mainstream liberals and her politics makes Bernie Sanders look like a Reaganite.
You're right, of course, she takes some pretty extreme positions. My campaign advice for AOC: talk less and dance more:

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Old 10-20-2021, 11:45 AM   #64 (permalink)
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"people are only gonna wear masks for so long.."

Yeah i already quit wearing them. Saw a granny in cvs with one on today and i felt a little bad walking past her... But only slightly cause nobody is wearing them hardly

It seems like covid is just gonna be another flu type illness that we deal with every year at this point...
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Old 10-20-2021, 11:57 AM   #65 (permalink)
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"people are only gonna wear masks for so long.."

Yeah i already quit wearing them. Saw a granny in cvs with one on today and i felt a little bad walking past her... But only slightly cause nobody is wearing them hardly

It seems like covid is just gonna be another flu type illness that we deal with every year at this point...
Wear them when you're feeling sick though. I wear mine in public places that people HAVE to go to. Doctor, food market, post office, liquor store, general service places...

I don't wear mine in my shop because I have a sign outside saying I'm vaccinated. I also run a specialty shop. You don't HAVE to come here.

However, if I have a cough or a sneeze or runny nose, you bet your ass I'm wearing that mask all day and getting tested.

Society rules have changed a bit. It's no different than NOT sneezing in a strangers face. You would never do that. It's a thing you do to be able to live in a civilized society. I think wearing a mask if you're sick or near at risk people should be automatic as stopping at red lights because society deemed it safer.

These people that cough in others faces because they like Trump need to be cast out of this world. They have decided not to play ball. F*ck them.
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Old 10-20-2021, 12:24 PM   #66 (permalink)
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I'm afraid they already have. Two Democrats who aren't really Democrats have already said no to much of the bills. With our luck, we'll be lucky to fix the cities' potholes.
Very important not to have people falling through the road when they're lighting up a spliff (or whatever the terminology is you kids use today grumble grumble mutter mutter)



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Wear them when you're feeling sick though. I wear mine in public places that people HAVE to go to. Doctor, food market, post office, liquor store, general service places...

I don't wear mine in my shop because I have a sign outside saying I'm vaccinated. I also run a specialty shop. You don't HAVE to come here.

However, if I have a cough or a sneeze or runny nose, you bet your ass I'm wearing that mask all day and getting tested.

Society rules have changed a bit. It's no different than NOT sneezing in a strangers face. You would never do that. It's a thing you do to be able to live in a civilized society. I think wearing a mask if you're sick or near at risk people should be automatic as stopping at red lights because society deemed it safer.

These people that cough in others faces because they like Trump need to be cast out of this world. They have decided not to play ball. F*ck them.
Last week was the first time I saw people in a supermarket not wearing masks. It was weird. I continue to wear mine though, as we've been told to. Not only for my sake but Karen's too obviously.
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Old 10-20-2021, 12:38 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Not a chance. Not only is she way too easy to demonize, she refuses to compromise even with mainstream liberals and her politics makes Bernie Sanders look like a Reaganite.
That's a good thing because establishment democrats are so invested in castrating themselves in capitulance to their image of what the GOP expects, then they chop a little further in the name of negotiation. A willingness to compromise across the aisle and not within their own party will likely be the undoing of said mainstream liberals as well.

Pretty sure sexism would get in the way of her campaign more than anything tbh.
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Old 10-20-2021, 12:40 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Nobody is hardly wearing them here. If nobody else is then what makes you think I'm such a good person that I'll wear one anyway lol

Most rules i follow more out of social and or legal pressure rather than genuinely believing in them....
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That's very tough of you, jwb.
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Old 10-20-2021, 12:42 PM   #70 (permalink)
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That's a good thing because establishment democrats are so invested in castrating themselves in capitulance to their image of what the GOP expects, then they chop a little further in the name of negotiation. A willingness to compromise across the aisle and not within their own party will likely be the undoing of said mainstream liberals as well.
Good point. I deleted the part about sexism obviously but otherwise yeah i agree.
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