Second Amendment Discussion

adidasss · 01-30-2021, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

See, you Americans are weird. As far as I know, in no other country is it legal for a private citizen to carry a gun; the only people allowed to be armed are certain police and the military. So how do you - non-Americans too - feel about the 2nd Amendment? Does it need to be tightened up? Is it fine as it is? Should I just raise my hands and back slowly away?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overvi...laws_by_nation

Basically, it looks like in most of the world it is allowed for private citizens to own a weapon, but only in the US and Yemen can you own a weapon without any license whatsoever.

I think the difference is that people in Europe just don't have the same culture of owning weapons.

Trollheart · 01-31-2021, 05:34 AM

It's also a point of note that most, perhaps all, police forces other than the US have only a special armed unit who carry weapons. Your average Guard, Bobby or Gendarme does not. So with police not being armed as a matter of course, certainly that shifts the balance of power against them but it also means your average criminal knows he can probably get away doing a robbery etc without a gun. From their point of view, I guess, the more chance you have of being shot at, the more reason to bring a gun to the party. Like you say, the rest of us just don't have that gun culture. I don't hear of gun clubs in Ireland (though they may exist) and there are certainly no gun shows, or shops.

OccultHawk · 01-31-2021, 05:56 AM

Europe is capitalist and that’s bad. But you are not infested with American Necro-Capitalism.

Rich people make a lot of money selling guns. That settles the matter in America.

It’s not about armed protests, protecting your family, giving women a defense against sexual assault, deer hunting, cop killing, genocide on black folk, or any of that. It’s a product. People profit from it.

Am I broken record? It’s not my fault it always boils down to the same thing.

Psy-Fi · 01-31-2021, 06:50 AM

Gun Ownership by Country 2021

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Gun ownership varies significantly around the world. The only three countries that consider gun ownership a constitutional right are Mexico, Guatemala, and the United States. Over 175 countries allow their citizens to own firearms, and many have specific regulations on ownership, such as banning certain types of firearms.

The ten countries with the highest civilian gun ownership (number of firearms per 100 people) are:

United States (120.5)
Falkland Islands (62.1)
Yemen (52.8)
New Caledonia (42.5)
Serbia (39.1)
Montenegro (39.1)
Uruguay (34.7)
Canada (34.7)
Cyprus (34)
Finland (32.4)

Trollheart · 01-31-2021, 10:39 AM

The irony of posting in this thread with that avvy!

~~jwb~~ · 01-31-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Nice to know they only have guns because they’re fascist.

Or is conscription not fascist?

Well they also don't seem to start/get involved in any wars... Is conscription so bad if you only use it for defensive purposes?

~~jwb~~ · 01-31-2021, 02:27 PM

Its both tbh

Gun culture in america has been present since day 1. Having a gun on the frontier was pretty ****ing important.

But in the modern day context the big arms industry companies use the NRA to indoctrinate people against any gun restrictions cause it's good for business. They take the already existing gun culture and weaponize it against any threats to the industry.

OccultHawk · 01-31-2021, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I think it's moreso a cultural issue, here you go with reductionism again though

How the **** could you not understand it’s about money? Gun lobby. Money. Gun sales. Money. Arms manufacturing. Money. Weapons development. Money.

Guess how you get a gun at a gun show. You pay money.

Who funds the Republican Party? The gun lobby. How do they do that? With money. Who do they work for? Weapons manufacturers. Why do people manufacture weapons? To sell them.

Spoiler for “$”:

~~jwb~~ · 01-31-2021, 02:48 PM

You sound like every black homeless guy rambling to himself at the bus stop I've ever met.

OccultHawk · 01-31-2021, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Well they also don't seem to start/get involved in any wars... Is conscription so bad if you only use it for defensive purposes?

Only if you oppose slavery.

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01-31-2021, 05:34 AM	#42 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	It's also a point of note that most, perhaps all, police forces other than the US have only a special armed unit who carry weapons. Your average Guard, Bobby or Gendarme does not. So with police not being armed as a matter of course, certainly that shifts the balance of power against them but it also means your average criminal knows he can probably get away doing a robbery etc without a gun. From their point of view, I guess, the more chance you have of being shot at, the more reason to bring a gun to the party. Like you say, the rest of us just don't have that gun culture. I don't hear of gun clubs in Ireland (though they may exist) and there are certainly no gun shows, or shops. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

01-31-2021, 05:56 AM	#43 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Europe is capitalist and that’s bad. But you are not infested with American Necro-Capitalism. Rich people make a lot of money selling guns. That settles the matter in America. It’s not about armed protests, protecting your family, giving women a defense against sexual assault, deer hunting, cop killing, genocide on black folk, or any of that. It’s a product. People profit from it. Am I broken record? It’s not my fault it always boils down to the same thing. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

01-31-2021, 10:39 AM	#45 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	The irony of posting in this thread with that avvy! __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

01-31-2021, 02:27 PM	#47 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Its both tbh Gun culture in america has been present since day 1. Having a gun on the frontier was pretty ****ing important. But in the modern day context the big arms industry companies use the NRA to indoctrinate people against any gun restrictions cause it's good for business. They take the already existing gun culture and weaponize it against any threats to the industry.

01-31-2021, 02:48 PM	#49 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You sound like every black homeless guy rambling to himself at the bus stop I've ever met.