emotutu

US is responsible for war...

TheBig3

The Left can't accurately assess this war because it's entire position for the last 100 years has been "all problems are a result of Western aggression."

I wish we could like posts.

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The Batlord

Not all the left. Just some dip****s on the left. I mean it's understandable if some leftists never move on from "America bad" even if it's frustrating as hell and makes them analytically useless.

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TheBig3

I'm not. The U.S. should be funneling in provisions and weapons to the Ukraine by all means possible.

But I don't think Russia is a bad country.

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The Batlord

Duh another country joining NATO strengthens NATO. Just like Ukraine being in Russia's sphere of influence strengthens Russia. All those former Soviet states joined NATO for a reason and Russia isn't willing to give Georgia or Ukraine the option to choose for a reason. Of course hegemonic powers are going to try to undermine each other but America absolutely had no need to put in Putin's head that he should dominate Ukraine. Russia wants to do that America or no America.

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TheBig3

Let's assume that's true. Which nation would you rather be beholden to?

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The Batlord

There's coercion in Russia's sphere of influence as well, and if you're Ukraine I imagine the coercion that didn't involve hundreds of years of occupation, the holodomor, and the ever present threat of invasion probably sounds a lot better, especially if it gives you protection from all of the above.

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jwb

The main way Ukraine strengthens nato is by threatening and/or weakening Russia. Where as the Russian empire is more or less hopeless without the Ukraine. The difference in strategic value here is staggering.

The Batlord

1. Who ****ing cares? You aren't owed client states.

2. Russia's relative weakness is why they have less control over there sphere of influence and have a tendency to roll in with tanks. Hence the former Soviet republics wanting NATO protection.

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rubber soul

Actually, war was invented in Mesopotamia around 2700 BC. Then you had the ancient Egyptians, the ancient Greeks, the Romans, the Mongols, the Huns, and finally, the Europeans in general long before the Americans came on the scene. And I know I'm missing more than a few aggressive nations, these are just the ones that came to the top of my head.

And, yes, the US is hardly innocent when it comes to war either, but don't blame them for the Russian invasion of Ukraine (except maybe for the enabling of Trump in particular). This one is all on Russia and no one else.

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