Russia, Ukraine and World War III

Queen Boo · 03-04-2022, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Let's assume that's true. Which nation would you rather be beholden to?

Well I'm just a dumb American but I'd rather be beholden to the nation less likely to torture and murder LGBT people, I have a hunch that Ukraine's queer community feels the same.

ribbons · 03-04-2022, 11:24 AM

Visited my favorite Ukrainian restaurant Veselka recently and had, among other things, a bowl of borscht (they are donating 100% of borscht sales to help Ukraine). They are also accepting material donations, so I dropped off some socks, batteries, bandages, baby diapers and formula.

https://www.veselka.com/support-ukraine/

The restaurant is also partnering with Razom For Ukraine to handle donations: https://linktr.ee/RazomForUkraine

ribbons · 03-04-2022, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Don't be Putin ideas into people's heads. We're better Biden our time. Kyiv it a chance; we don't want it to be fiNATO before talks or mediation.

I apologise: I don't know what came over me! Where am I? What day is this? How long have I - no! Really?

^

I wish this idea had never been Putin my head.

rubber soul · 03-04-2022, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Chomsky's take is right on, (as per usual)

there's obviously no excuse for the atrocity Russia is committing, however, it could have been prevented if US foreign policy was actually committed to peace

I won't argue your take on US foreign policy but I don't think anyone could have prevented Putin save maybe the Russians themselves.

rostasi · 03-04-2022, 01:28 PM

From Feb 21…

This Is Putin’s War. But America and NATO Aren’t Innocent Bystanders.

rostasi · 03-04-2022, 01:49 PM

Noam Chomsky: US Military Escalation Against Russia Would Have No Victors.

ribbons · 03-04-2022, 02:21 PM

Of note, from 2014: Ukraine and Russia’s History Wars

Feb 26, 2022: Inside Putin’s Head

^ Not a paywall - scroll down to registration section and click on "I"ll do it later".

rostasi · 03-04-2022, 03:23 PM

In grade school, I didn't understand these geographic distances and
so if someone wanted to know the origin of my name, I'd tell them
that it was from somewhere in Russia - and then I'd get bloody hell
from my grandmother who would tell me in no uncertain terms that,
"You are not Russian - you are ooo-KRAY-n-sky!!!" followed, usually,
by a smack to the back of the head.

jadis · 03-04-2022, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

I won't argue your take on US foreign policy but I don't think anyone could have prevented Putin save maybe the Russians themselves.

Either ignoring or clamping down on popular protests is literally the defining feature of his rule.

The Batlord · 03-04-2022, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Chomsky's take is right on, (as per usual)

there's obviously no excuse for the atrocity Russia is committing, however, it could have been prevented if US foreign policy was actually committed to peace

To only and always concentrate on America is America-centric narcissism. Did America make Russia invade Ukraine? Did America make Russia invade Georgia? Did America make Russia bomb Chechnya into powder? Perhaps it's possible for two countries to be unscrupulous imperialists who are never going to change until they no longer exist.

03-04-2022, 02:21 PM	#207 (permalink)
ribbons Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,265	Of note, from 2014: Ukraine and Russia’s History Wars Feb 26, 2022: Inside Putin’s Head ^ Not a paywall - scroll down to registration section and click on "I"ll do it later". Last edited by ribbons; 03-04-2022 at 02:38 PM.

03-04-2022, 11:24 AM	#202 (permalink)
ribbons Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,265	Visited my favorite Ukrainian restaurant Veselka recently and had, among other things, a bowl of borscht (they are donating 100% of borscht sales to help Ukraine). They are also accepting material donations, so I dropped off some socks, batteries, bandages, baby diapers and formula. https://www.veselka.com/support-ukraine/ The restaurant is also partnering with Razom For Ukraine to handle donations: https://linktr.ee/RazomForUkraine

03-04-2022, 01:28 PM	#205 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	From Feb 21… This Is Putin’s War. But America and NATO Aren’t Innocent Bystanders.

03-04-2022, 01:49 PM	#206 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	Noam Chomsky: US Military Escalation Against Russia Would Have No Victors.

03-04-2022, 03:23 PM	#208 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	In grade school, I didn't understand these geographic distances and so if someone wanted to know the origin of my name, I'd tell them that it was from somewhere in Russia - and then I'd get bloody hell from my grandmother who would tell me in no uncertain terms that, "You are not Russian - you are ooo-KRAY-n-sky!!!" followed, usually, by a smack to the back of the head.