Hmmm... well I like a lot of stuff. Off the top of my head:

Busdriver
Doomtree/P.O.S.
Kool Keith
FatLip
Mr. Lif
Edan
Aesop Rock
Dalek
Big L
Dr. Dre
Ice Cube
Snoop
NWA
Nine
RBX
Arrested Development
De La Soul
Digable Planets
Tribe Called Quest
KMD/MF Doom
Madlib/Quasimoto
Control Machete
Del the Funky Homosapien
The Shape of Broad Minds
cLOUDDEAD
Outkast
Cage
Gravediggaz
Chiddy Bang
Binary Star
MF Grimm

Hmm, then I don't understand. I'd say at least half of that list is worse than Tyler :confused:

Janszoon, do you like Sex Style, because I feel that that album and the OF gang's style are pretty similar (with the exception of the beats).

I'm sorry if it seems harsh to you but I just listened the Earl track (I've already heard the Tyler track) and I find the rapping extremely generic. Sounds like a 16 year old kid who hasn't figured out a unique style yet, which is basically what he is. All around the world there are no doubt millions of teenagers recording generic hip hop like this in their bedrooms, I'm unclear on why this particular one has been singled out as being of interest.

Sex Style is decent but I prefer Dr. Octagonecologyst and First Come First Served. I don't really see the similarity though. The music is completely different, Kool Keith's style of rapping is extremely unique, and his lyrics are bizarre but certainly not boring.

Strange. What about him is so compelling to you?

Generic would be to talk about getting drunk and how many hoes you've got or your bling, not duct-taping bitches up and then raping them. But i totally understand why you don't like these guys. I didn't like this crew when I first started listening to them either.

Well, he has a pretty impeccable flow, and the beats have refreshing grittiness that I haven't come across in a while. Similarly like how you like cLOUDDEAD, and I don't really fancy him. Maybe it's something comparable. But I honestly love Tyler's style. Maybe it's an agree to disagree type situation :S

br00tal flow and lyrics, fuk da haterz, this a pretty good album. I give it 7.8/10

I would say both of those things are generic sounding, but regardless I was using the word "generic" to describe the rapping, not the lyrics.

cLOUDDEAD are a "them" not a "he", and their music is at least pretty unique sounding for hip hop, whether you like them or not.

I really can't say I understand the description of Tyler as "gritty". He's about as gritty as study hall.

If there is one thing that really can't be missed, it's the grittiness. Practically every line these guys spit could offend someone. Earl talks about stabbing some girls vagina with some "glass and ****". Damn dude, that's really hard to miss.

PS i've never seen someone get raped in a study hall.

You seem very hung up on the lyrics. To make you happy, I'll stop focusing on the music and rapping for a minute and talk about them: Lyrics which attempt to offend with violent content are hardly a new thing in hip hop. Coming from these two guys it's not gritty, it's just dull and redundant. They don't even do it in an interesting way.

I'm sorry, but you can't say that their not gritty just because their "dull and redundant" or because their not innovating. The last time I checked, gritty and interesting meant two separate things.

According to Merriam-Webster gritty means having strong qualities of tough uncompromising realism. I don't get a sense of uncompromising realism from juvenile rape fantasies, by-the-numbers rapping or cheesy keyboards. Therefore I do not find this music gritty. At all.

True, but unique doesn't necessarily translate to good. Dalek are quite unique and also quite good. cLOUDDEAD are only the prior.

You're right, but it has a lot better chance of translating to good than "not unique" does. And I think the effort of trying to do something different is commendable if nothing else.

Well, I like Dalek a lot more than cLOUDDEAD too, but I still think cLOUDDEAD are worth your time. What have you heard by them?

Well I listened to Ten, wasn't very fond of some of the tracks, like Rifle Eyes, etc. Not too sure if they're my kind of thing.

Well maybe not. That's the only album I have by them but I like it. "Velvet Ant" and "Physics of a Unicycle" are probably my favorite tracks.

Edit: You know what's really funny? I think you and I tend to structure our sentences very similarly or something. I keep realizing as I'm replying to your posts that I'm starting them with the same words as you. Anyway, just a weird observation.

Dude, you guys have to listen to cLOUDDEAD's self-titled album. It's monstrous.

Will do. :)

Do you want a link?

Already found one, but thanks. :)

Word. Let me know when you check it out.

Out of curiosity, why are there two versions of every song?

Well, they had 5 singles that were sets of two songs which functioned like two parts of a whole, like one huge song. Then, all of them were put together as an album.

Ah. I see.

cloudDEAD is all right. I would rather listen to them than Earl, actually. But I already have. I don't regret listening to Earl. I said previously... it was better than I thought it would be. I think Earl's got a style going, that's a crossover of DOOM and KoolKeith. Let's see him grow up off the rape, horrorcore lines and broaden up lyrically.

I liked the corny keyboards and all. It's meant to be almost tongue-in-cheek.

Haha, now that you mention it, I'm starting to recognize some similarities. Could just be coincidental of this thread, or, maybe not =|

I'll give it a go then.

I like it, serious potential in there. Being so young, I say the future is bright for these guys.

dude you are naive as FUCK if you think there is a bunch of teenagers around the globe rapping like this.

Even if the subject matter is the oh so generic (seriously, "generic" is the right word to describe this?) rape fantasy, it's still done in a creative way. The flow is tight and on point, he doesn't have a whole lot of vocal dexterity, but considering he was 16 when this was released, i really can't criticize it. Most mainstream rappers don't sound nearly this good, and of course that isn't a great comparison, but i feel like it needs to be enforced.

I find the rape fantasy kinda immature, but it's pretty clear its sarcastic, and you can't generalize all the lyrics as being just that. I don't feel like copying and pasting lyrics, but just look them up yourself sometime.

i think people need to get over critiquing mixtapes how they do fully produced albums. This is exciting stuff.

I don't really see a point trying to convince Janszoon that Earl Sweatshirt is worth listening to if he thinks Tyler, the Creator is so bad. I mean I love Earl, and the Radical Mixtape, but Bastard is easily the most consistent and well-produced album that Odd Future has released.

I don't really understand the lyrical assault against them. There's some really clever lines, and even the rape stuff is really tongue-in-cheek. I mean Tyler talks about raping a girl (and eating her heart) for not going to prom with him, do you really think he's being serious and thinking "oh I'm going to shock people?" It's hyperbole, sure it's a bit silly but as Matious pointed out these are teenagers. Teenagers are a bit silly.

The issue with production is really weird to me...I mean the versatility on the production is something of interested, you have French (a very distorted track) and then a really poppy/weird on Seven (this is again, referring to Bastard which I think is the stronger album.)

I kind of want specific examples for what's wrong with the Odd Future collective's music. The only real criticism I have is the issue of quantity vs. quality, because everything they do has it's moments, but it also has it's...well not so good moments.

Is anyone actually complaining about whether he's serious or not? I know I haven't. I just find the lyrics repetitive and blah. There's nothing there to hold my interest. That might not be a problem if the rapping or music were better, but they aren't.

Like with the lyrics, I just find the production boring. I don't hear a lot variety from song to song and it's doesn't feel like much effort went into making good music. It just sounds they started rapping over the first thing they came up with.

Oh okay, you're right. I've seen the light. I'm naive and this music sounds nothing like every other teenage rapper with a myspace page. I truly enjoy the juxtaposition of dull repetitive lyrics with lackluster rapping and half-assed beats. It's so creative! :laughing:

OFWGKTA'S Radical is pretty top notch in my book. Recently addicted to this track:



Also, from In Odd We Trust:



The beat kind of reminds me of Chrono Trigger :)

This is what other teenagers sound like:



but seriously, i can understand you not being blown away, it's the extent to which your hating it which is bogus.

This tape is really good. It's very, very, raw and the beats sound great. Earl has crazy lyricism and pretty good charisma, and I laughed out loud on that Wakeup***got skit.

I don't much care for the sexual subject matter. It's lost it's shock value to me and is just kind of boring, but aside from that this was really solid.

so it's three of them in the group Odd Future?

i can understand you not liking the beats, but if you can't appreciate the rapping then you truly are naive. You seriously think that there are "millions" of other teenagers who can rap like this? You'd be hard pressed to find 20. Maybe you should try this record again and actually LISTEN instead of letting your preconceptions dictate what you think.

Do you actually know what the word naive means? Just curious.