Yes. Exactly. I would put this at the same level of quality as the Tyler, the Creator album I have.

Well, when something really, really sucks that's generally the reaction I have to it.

No, Odd Future (full name is actually Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All, which I think is amusing) is a pretty big collective. I think it's about a dozen people, all teenagers too.

You're either deaf or you're being deliberately belligerent, for what purpose I really don't understand though.

What the hell? LOL.

Hmm... well I'm not deaf and thought this was a place where people with a variety of opinions could discuss music, but maybe it would make you happier if we all just loved and hated the same things?

Honestly, when I watched that video it took me a minute to figure what he was getting at with it because it literally sounded could've been something from Bastard to me.

Maybe if you want to actually discuss music you could actually substantiate what you're saying with tracks and examples. Everyone trying to discuss this with you has been pretty bewildered by most of the things you're saying. With the exception of your criticisms about the lyrics (though I find it weird you're treating it like rape is all they rap about) I can't hear most of the things you're talking about. It's kind of hard to have a "discussion" with you when all your arguments just seem to be "state the opposite whatever the person saying positive things about the album said."

For starters, how does that video matious posted sound exactly like a Tyler, the Creator song? I've listened to the album several times and I'm not hearing it all.

I find it weird that you're saying I'm "treating it like rape is all they rap about" since I don't think I have ever said or implied that.

Well surely me stating opinions that differ from other people is a more productive way to have a discussion than accusing them of being deaf or belligerent, right?

I don't really know how to answer that since to me they sound very similar. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around you not noticing it. How do they sound different to you?

Edit: I just skimmed though a couple tracks on Bastard and think the one it reminds me of the most is "Slow It Down". Does that help?

The opening of "This Shxt is Mixxie" sounds like a 50 Cent song, in terms of comparsons the Odd Future collective is generally likened not so much to 'lets get drunk in the club' rap but to darker rap. I've heard more comparisons to Kool Keith, Necro and Eminem then anyone else. I've also heard early Three 6 Mafia thrown around.

The beginning sample, again, doesn't sound like anything you hear on "Slow It Down", Tyler prefers his lo-fi synths/beats, which, we don't hear on "This Shxt is Mixxie." In fact, that beginning part pretty much repeats for the whole song. It's incredibly repetitive and generic, and there's no switch up throughout the song and they feel the need to return to the phrase "this shit is mixxie" at the end which goes on for like a minute (just like it did on the beginning - this return to a repetitive/annoying part isn't there in Slow It Down. The only returned to part is the chorus...which sounds radically different from anything on "This Shxt is Mixxie.")

"Slow It Down" starts out with the synthesizers, and introduces Hodgy Beats. Hodgy's voice is accented pretty different then the dudes on "This Shxt is Mixxie," though I can sort see some similarities in how they sound. After he's done rapping it kicks into this weird chorus with a melody thing with a rapsy, kind of creepy voice chanting "turn it up" and then another weird vocal effect, that kind of sounds like someone mocking Satan, talking over that. When Tyler kicks in the rapping changes, picks up a bit and is definitely way more experienced/talented/better flow/just better everything really. Tyler's voice is also very baritone, giving him a way different sound then either of those dudes.

Also, it's worth noting that the rapping actually does changes (and is on beat) in "Slow It Down." The rapping is the same throughout all of "This Shxt is Mixxie" and it doesn't even mesh with the sample that well.

Lyrically, "This Shxt is Mixxie" talks a lot about bitches, joints, alcohol, bitches some more, swag and LL Cool J. Pretty sure the extent of the wit is "Bitches on my dick cause I fuck like a porn star / I make them cum fast like a sports car." Which is downright Shakespearean. On "Slow It Down" yeah it's also has sex references and is basically egotism, but I think they do it better. That's just personal opinion in there though. I guess I see a similarity there though, but if you're going to say rap about egotism is all the same then basically all rap is all the same.

That is why I think they're radically different tracks.

Well that's certainly a lot of writing you've done there, but I don't feel like it makes a very strong case for there being any kind of wide chasm of quality between the two songs. To me they are very similar: Tight and tinny drum sounds that have become such a cliche in hip hop lately, cheesy synths that lean the wrong way to be the good kind of cheesy, sloppy rapping that sounds weak instead of giving it character the way a well done sloppy style sometimes can. And the lyrics? I really don't see how lines like "Fuck you faggots/I'm with a fat bitch/making shit come like I'm go-go gadget" really differentiate Tyler from any other half-assed rapper out there.

You can't pull **** like this in an arguement/discussion. It has NOTHING to do with the point I was trying to make. You obviously haven't listened closely to Bastard or Earl, so you are in no position to spew the bull**** comments you have been.

I prefer Tyler, the Creator's egotism to that song Matious posted. I never even said they were better, I acknowledged that was personal opinion. Again, if your beef is egotistical rapping about sexual prowess you can basically attack any rapper. I mean, sure, it's a valid critique but uh, yeah it's not remotely unique. I never said the lyrics made him unique (particularly on that track) or different from most rappers. All I said was I think Tyler did it better.

I wasn't even trying to argue that one is objectively better then the other (or more "quality" in your words) in my post. I was arguing that there were aesthetic and sonic differences, which you've pretty snidely written off (I mean "you've certainly done a lot of writing there?" Really? All I was doing was comparing the two songs and explaining why they're different, liked you asked.) I don't really see the point in arguing with you if you're just going to be as glib and arrogant as possible. The last part of your argument is basically "it's lo-fi, with synthesizers and rapping therefore it's similar" but that's like saying "Oh Led Zeppelin uses guitars, bass and drum and so do the Beatles, it's similar."

Definitely haven't listened to it.

Excuse me, you're the one engaging in name-calling and false accusations here. How about you knock it off and take things down a notch, eh?

Actually I never called you a name. I said you were spewing bull****.

My beef isn't egoistical rapping, it's the overall finished product. I don't feel like any part of it is good at all.

Ethan, I wrote an entire paragraph discussing a single song, that's hardly glib. And I have to say I don't appreciate the repeated insults in your posts. I would think a former mod would realize that's not cool.

No, not really. I was actually pointing out pretty specific things about the two songs, that's hardly the vague statement you're making it out to be.

Yeah you're right. I am acting like an ass right now. I've had way too long of a day to discuss this. I just disagree with you. End debate with hugs?

I actually was referring your use of the word naive, but yeah the "spewing bullshit" remark was also fairly inappropriate too, now that you mention it.

Hugs. And sorry for derailing the Earl thread with the Tyler conversation. :)

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cute.

They're rapidly becoming better producers.

That kazoo thing makes me feel funky man.

You're definitely right. I actually like that song! That's one thing I'll say about these guys, they certainly have plenty of time to develop their style.

Is that song from one of the MellowHype albums or is it just a standalone thing?

listening to this for the first time, i'm pretty impressed... love the production and how much of a badass he makes himself out to be

I love Earl and Tyler. But I must say, I find Hodgy Beats to be pretty terrible.

I respect other peoples opinions, and I'm not a Tyler or Earl ****rider screaming OMG THEY ARE AWESOME, but I definitely don't see how that Mixxie song is anything like the stuff that Earl has put out there. If it wasn't a mod saying they sound alike, I'd think it was trolling, because they are that different. Part of me wants to believe that Janszoon is just playing devils advocate on some of these things to promote more discussion to be honest.

As much as I like and respect Janszoon, I couldn't agree with you more here.

Please believe that I'm being completely honest when I say that you're both wrong about my motives. The opinions I've expressed are very much my real opinions.

For the record though, I was talking about Tyler not Earl. I haven't heard the Earl album.

Listen to it then, punk.

Well, this brings me back to the original question that started the whole derailment: if I hated the Tyler album, is Earl even worth a listen for me? I'm not trying to be a dick, I mean this seriously and would be more than happy to check it out if you think there's any chance of me liking it. I did like that Tyler-produced track you posted yesterday after all.

I know a couple people in this thread seem to think I disliked the Tyler album because I had something against it before listening or that I didn't "really" listen to it or something, but nothing could be further from the truth. I've been hankering for some good new hip hop and when I saw a thread about the Tyler album on here a few months ago it sounded like exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Unfortunately I was really disappointed with album, like disappointed to a degree that I rarely ever experience with music.

No, don't waste your time. Anyone telling you to listen to Earl is being fucking desperate.

Yeah there's basically no chance you'd like it, on the other hand...it's only twenty minutes long. So if you're even a bit curious, it's not like it's much of an investment.

Heh. Well, I already downloaded it a few minutes ago. I'm actually listening to it right now.

Any of you guys know when "In Odd We Trust" was released?

Okay, just finished listening to the Earl album. I don't know if it's because I went in with way lower expectations or what, but I liked it better than Bastard. It didn't totally blow me away or anything but I thought it definitely had some decent moments. I'd say "Earl", "Luper" and "epaR" were the standout tracks for me.

Alright, I was thinking about this question while listening to Earl... What would all you Earl lovers think if he wasn't 16? Let's say you found out he was actually 23, would you feel different about him? Is it the stuff he's putting out that's impressive, or is it more the fact that he's so young?

I don't pay much attention to the fact that he's 16.

That's more like a fun fact, in my opinion.

I'll give you a fun fact: I had a dream that I met Tyler and Earl last night. Clearly I've spent way too much time in this thread.

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You were raped, weren't you

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Heh. No, but they did lock me in a basement in Chinatown and try to kill me. Luckily I escaped and ran until I found this legless midget woman cop. She wouldn't believe me about what had happened so I picked her up I and ran back to the basement with her in my arms. I showed her the blood spatter all over the walls and she finally believed me. But then they came back and were chasing us around and it was getting hard to run because the woman was getting so heavy in my arms. Then I woke up.