Unpopular Music Opinions (bass, beatles, guitarist, solo, shows)

~~Oomph!~~ · 05-11-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

All i've asked him to do (about 7 times now ) is give a straight answer to some examples of bands Godsmack have influenced and ask him to show how they've changed music , which shouldn't be too difficult when he's saying they're better than the most influential band of the 20th century.

Popularity/influence doesn't make them not lame, and Godsmack's lack of relative influence compared to the Beatles doesn't make them 'lame'

This isn't a popularity contest, we all know how goddamned popular the Beatles were but's irrelevent.

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Originally Posted by KeithMoon2112

Why are you trying to compare the Beatles, a band in the sixties whose fanbase was more or less screaming teenage girls, with Godsmack, a hard rock band who claims Alice in Chains as one of their inspirations?

I'm not the one who brought Godsmack up in this thread, the ones who are trying to defend the Beatles brought up Godsmack to change the subject and distract everyone from the painfully obvious fact that the Beatles, regardless of how popular they were, were a lame, fruity pop band.

boo boo · 05-11-2008, 04:21 PM

Yeah. Godsmack is basically Alice in Chains dumbed down for the Limp Bizkit generation.

I can tell you this much though, at least they're better than Oomph.

Oomph is industrial metal garbage for kids who think Orgy is too high brow.

cardboard adolescent · 05-11-2008, 04:22 PM

lame, fruity pop > fast, heavy pseudo-industrial geared towards angsty adolescents

~~Oomph!~~ · 05-11-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

lame, fruity pop > fast, heavy pseudo-industrial geared towards angsty adolescents

lame, fruity pop < fast, heavy pseudo-industrial geared towards angsty adolescents

Also, what do you mean by 'pseudo' industrial? What band pretends to be industrial but isn't really industrial? Oh wait, that has no meaning and you just want to glibbly fling around random prefixes to make you sound like your intelligent to compensate for weak argument (actually, no argument in this instance)

Do you have some issue with people who suffer from anxiety or something?

Blues music is just 'geared towards' sad people?

cardboard adolescent · 05-11-2008, 04:39 PM

Angst and anxiety are actually two very different things.

And I used to prefix "pseudo" because what Industrial means to me is a genre of mechanical-sounding noise and drone influenced directly by the noise experiments of the futurists and musique concrete, such as Throbbing Gristle, Nurse With Wound, Cabaret Voltaire and NON. Bands such as Oomph or Ministry or NIN, who basically take Coil's innovations and water it down with heavy metal are, to me, pseudo-Industrial.

And you're right, I didn't have an argument. If anything I was trying to deconstruct your objective approach to writing off certain bands.

boo boo · 05-11-2008, 04:51 PM

I really love The Downard Spiral.

NiN is pretty much the only industrial metal I like though.

~~Oomph!~~ · 05-11-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Oomph is *glib, made-up, mudflinging nonsense to compensate for lack understanding of said band and appreciation for good artists*

Video Oomph! - INRI vs JAHWE - [Live] - oomph, inri, jahwe, live, Festival - Dailymotion Share Your Videos

I don't know how good the quality of your speakers are, but I have a decent stereo with nice sub-wofers, and when you have these guys blasting you'll want to head bang until you black-out. That's what good music does, it actually fucking moves you.

That BS pop garbage you guys listen to makes you tap your fingers at best compared to bands like this.

ProggyMan · 05-11-2008, 04:58 PM

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Meters, decibals, knobs with little numerical gradation on them.
Are you joking with this ****? You don't think guitar distortion and bass can be measured?

Talk about low reading comprehension. Reread his post. He's not talking about them not being measurable, he's saying they don't have a measurable value.

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And who programs that machine to produce the sound?

He's saying that that's a stupid way to measure music because according to you you can just add sound for the sake of adding sound and it will be objectively good.

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An electric guitar is a machine, a synthasizer is a machine. Just because the synth is programmed doesn't devalue the effect of the produced sound.

Once again, you're misreading his posts to the point of ridiculousness.

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Exept for the part in which you can actually measure it and objectively conclude that one sound is 'weaker' than the other.

How? What is good in music varies person to person.

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Itsy bitsy spider Vs. Beethoven.

Prove to me that Beethoven is better using scientific method.

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If someone disputes the Earth being round it's no longer a fact just because they are stubborn morons?

You're making ridiculous comparisons. Thinking the earth is round has nothing to with personal preference.

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I could probably give you more experimentaion and variety on a single Oomph album than in the Beatles entire catalogue. Oomph uses more layers of complex synthesized bass, treble, ambeince, guitar riffs and drum beats in a single song than the beatles have exhibited in thier lifetime.

But these have all been used together before...

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As far as Godsmack is concerned, they don't have as much variety as the Beatles but that doesn't mean they have no variety. They have straight forward alternative metal, acoutstic, tribal drumming, vocal ballads (the songs 'Serenity' and "hollow")

Good for you! The Beatles still have more diversity, so...

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That said, the beatles are just different shades of the same suck. Varied lameness is still lame.

Without the Beatles Godsmack wouldn't be anything close what they are now.

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Except I have all four and the acoustic EP

READING COMPREHENSION!!! He's talking about the Beatles.

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False dichotomy

Seeing as you've never heard any Beatles other than Please Please Me...

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I have nothing against soul music, not my cup of tea but still more passionate that ****ty pop trash.

You really doubt the Beatles passion?
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Alfred · 05-11-2008, 04:59 PM

Well, it's not lame, but it's still pretty crappy.

ProggyMan · 05-11-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

Video Oomph! - INRI vs JAHWE - [Live] - oomph, inri, jahwe, live, Festival - Dailymotion Share Your Videos

I don't know how good the quality of your speakers are, but I have a decent stereo with nice sub-wofers, and when you have these guys blasting you'll want to head bang until you black-out. That's what good music does, it actually fucking moves you.

That BS pop garbage you guys listen to makes you tap your fingers at best compared to bands like this.

You know what Oomph? If you want to talk about experimentation, technical ability, and complicated song structures why don't you listen to bands like King Crimson, Genesis, The Mars Volta and Porcupine Tree?

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	lame, fruity pop > fast, heavy pseudo-industrial geared towards angsty adolescents

05-11-2008, 04:39 PM	#1065 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Angst and anxiety are actually two very different things. And I used to prefix "pseudo" because what Industrial means to me is a genre of mechanical-sounding noise and drone influenced directly by the noise experiments of the futurists and musique concrete, such as Throbbing Gristle, Nurse With Wound, Cabaret Voltaire and NON. Bands such as Oomph or Ministry or NIN, who basically take Coil's innovations and water it down with heavy metal are, to me, pseudo-Industrial. And you're right, I didn't have an argument. If anything I was trying to deconstruct your objective approach to writing off certain bands.