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Old 06-25-2011, 07:11 PM   #6381 (permalink)
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ministry's best album is their first
For most bands, their debut album was their best album.
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Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.

"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº?
“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac.
“If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle.
"If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:12 PM   #6382 (permalink)
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Most bands' debut album were their best.
Is that your unpopular opinion, or your rebuttal to his?
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:15 PM   #6383 (permalink)
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Is that your unpopular opinion, or your rebuttal to his?
Neither, just a general observation (supporting) his opinion of Ministry debut album.
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Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.

"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº?
“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac.
“If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle.
"If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon
"I look for ambiguity when I'm writing because life is ambiguous." Keith Richards
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:16 PM   #6384 (permalink)
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I think it's more a case of Neapolitan totally missing the point more than anything.
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:23 PM   #6385 (permalink)
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I think it's more a case of Neapolitan totally missing the point more than anything.
Well, was Caption Ron stating an unpopular opinion or being sarcastic?
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Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.

"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº?
“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac.
“If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle.
"If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:25 PM   #6386 (permalink)
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have you heard Ministry's debut compared to the rest of their material?
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:25 PM   #6387 (permalink)
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I'm inclined to disagree that the debut album is typically the best. In the instance of every artist with a substantial discography that I think of, it's not.
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:45 PM   #6388 (permalink)
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have you heard Ministry's debut compared to the rest of their material?
1. Well no, not actually.
2. I was agreeing with Caption Ron in theory only, if I'd missed something in what he said like sarcasm then maybe I'd unsuspectingly fell into a well-devised trap.
3. a quote from youtube which seemingly agrees with what Ron said
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Ministry slowly lost it after With Sympathy. Great New Wave album, but everything after it slowly went the opposite direction. Twitch had 3 good songs, the rest sounded like a bunch of noise and static. Rape and Honey, not my album and all, and I never cared for the Metal stuff they came out with. Surely this is my opinion on them, no need to freak out over it if you disagree with me.
There is a saying: you have your whole life to write your first album and only six months to write your second album. I see many bands slowly losing it after a great debut album, or they peak with something like their 3rd album then go down hill from there. For example I like U2 "Boy" over "Zooropa" and "Murmur" over "Around the Sun" I'm pretty sure there are a ton of fans out there that would be like "Zooropa">"Boy or "Around the Sun">"Murmur"
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Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.

"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº?
“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac.
“If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle.
"If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon
"I look for ambiguity when I'm writing because life is ambiguous." Keith Richards
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:48 PM   #6389 (permalink)
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I think that if you explored RYM's discographies, you would find that the popular opinions also favour my view that the first album has seldom been the best.
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:52 PM   #6390 (permalink)
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Or in other cases external factors and/or nativity on a band recording their first album means that they may end up making an album they didn't want to and will disown later on in their careers.

Such as Ministry.

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The music in With Sympathy, and the various singles that Arista issued in association with it, was melodic pop. Jourgensen has always expressed disappointment with Ministry's music during those early years, reportedly referring to With Sympathy as an "abortion of an album." According to him, after signing the record contract, all artistic control of Ministry was "handed" over to other writers and producers
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