blackdragon123

This is just getting sad now, boys.

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With a half of bitter, bread and jam,
And if it pleases me, I'll put one on ya man,
When the copper fades away!' - Jethro Tull

CoNtrivedNiHilism

Meh...

So then we stop replying for a time and see if this dies down.

blackdragon123

...who wants ginger snaps?!

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'Well, I'm a common working man,
With a half of bitter, bread and jam,
And if it pleases me, I'll put one on ya man,
When the copper fades away!' - Jethro Tull

Soulflower

This is the problem.


Racism is inevitable when discussing Elvis and his success because that played a BIG reason in his success.

So racism will be discussed regardless whether people want it or not. Its disgusting, its ugly but its a big reason in his success so it will get talked about.


Elvis was not out of this world talented and there were a ton of African American entertainers and singers that were more talented and did more for Rock N Roll. Now that is my opinion. Nobody here has to agree with it and if people are Elvis fans that is fine and I will respect that

But he did not pioneer Rock N Roll/Blues. Those were established genres way before he had a recording contract and they were pioneered by African American artists.

blackdragon123

I think you are missing my point. I will say it bluntly because I think it needs to be said. I am aware that the historical context makes the discussion of racism inevitable. But your emotional outbursts and rather offensive generalising about the people on this forum and the "white media" are making you out to be a racist yourself.

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'Well, I'm a common working man,
With a half of bitter, bread and jam,
And if it pleases me, I'll put one on ya man,
When the copper fades away!' - Jethro Tull

CoNtrivedNiHilism

I wouldn't mind a few...

Urban Hat€monger ?

Blues yes, Rock n Roll no.

Rock n Roll was a mixture of Country music, R&B, Gospal & Blues.
It was never 'stolen' from Black people, neither race can claim ownership of it based on the face it took both white & black influences to be created in the first place.
And you're right, Elvis created neither, nobody did. It evolved from what came before it.

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Soulflower

Because I am a big fan of artists from his era and I have read old interviews and footages.

Elvis has meant and admired performers like Jackie Wilson (who I love and who Elvis was good friends with) BUT never publicly insisted that Jackie inspired him and that he went to his shows in the back wings watching him to come out with ideas for his act and dance moves. EVERYTHING Elvis did in his live shows that was ALL Jackie Wilson. I think he was also influenced by Jackie's singing style. He meant with BB king and Fats Dominos himself which is why it is troubling that he never acknowledged he was inspired and imitated these black performers.



I would have way more respect for him if he had did. I am not being arrogant. There is no public account of Elvis insisting black performers inspired him.

There are just photos with him with Jackie, Fats, Chuck etc and proof that he went to there shows.



Another with Jackie




Elvis with Sammy Davis Jr


Elvis and Young James Brown


Thumbnail is with Fats Dominos and BB King

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Dylstew

This is getting out of hand.

blackdragon123

A Lot of people accused Elvis of stealing their stage mannerisms, when in fact, almost every black solo artist copied Elvis' - Jackie Wilson

__________________
'Well, I'm a common working man,
With a half of bitter, bread and jam,
And if it pleases me, I'll put one on ya man,
When the copper fades away!' - Jethro Tull