Unpopular Music Opinions - Music Banter Music Banter

Go Back   Music Banter > The Music Forums > General Music
Register Blogging Today's Posts
Welcome to Music Banter Forum! Make sure to register - it's free and very quick! You have to register before you can post and participate in our discussions with over 70,000 other registered members. After you create your free account, you will be able to customize many options, you will have the full access to over 1,100,000 posts.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-12-2014, 05:40 AM   #8791 (permalink)
The Sexual Intellectual
 
Urban Hat€monger ?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere cooler than you
Posts: 18,605
Default

And interpreting someone else's song your own way has had no merit?

You do realise that expecting a band to write and perform their own songs is only a recent development from the mid to late 60s onwards and is only really a small part of pop culture rather than music at large.
__________________



Urb's RYM Stuff

Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.
Urban Hat€monger ? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 06:03 AM   #8792 (permalink)
don't be no bojangles
 
blackdragon123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 496
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by realtalk92 View Post
Why is Jackie Wilson not credited for the hip and twisting leg dance steps he originated way before Elvis started copying his style?
I think if you understood anything about history, you'd know that Elvis copied the twisting leg dance steps from a young Forrest Gump, whilst holidaying at his mother's Alabama guest house.
__________________
'Well, I'm a common working man,
With a half of bitter, bread and jam,
And if it pleases me, I'll put one on ya man,
When the copper fades away!'
- Jethro Tull

Last edited by blackdragon123; 08-12-2014 at 06:15 AM.
blackdragon123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 06:53 AM   #8793 (permalink)
Music Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,366
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? View Post
And interpreting someone else's song your own way has had no merit?

You do realise that expecting a band to write and perform their own songs is only a recent development from the mid to late 60s onwards and is only really a small part of pop culture rather than music at large.
Might be the case, but I don't really care for it. There's so much music out there I want to listen to that I'd rather just listen to original material. I like it when a band just does a few covers of something in their own sound, especially when I actually know what the original song is, but I just don't care much for most cover only studio albums. I wasn't around in the sixties, I'm not used to that. I do have a few other bands in my MusicBee that mostly made covers that I like(The Specials for example), but most of the time I don't care much for it.
Dylstew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 07:00 AM   #8794 (permalink)
The Sexual Intellectual
 
Urban Hat€monger ?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere cooler than you
Posts: 18,605
Default

If someone performs a song it's still original regardless of who wrote it.
__________________



Urb's RYM Stuff

Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.
Urban Hat€monger ? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 07:07 AM   #8795 (permalink)
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,304
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? View Post
If someone performs a song it's still original regardless of who wrote it.


But you are missing the argument. The argument is he is being credited for things that he has not innovated and created.

I never said he was NOT talented but he is average in comparision to Jackie, James and Little Richard. There were better singers and perfromers during his era. My point was he benefited from being a white handsome man in a racially driven era.

I think its obsurd to argue the only reason why he was successful is because he was talented. That is a bunch of b.s.
Soulflower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 07:07 AM   #8796 (permalink)
The Sexual Intellectual
 
Urban Hat€monger ?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere cooler than you
Posts: 18,605
Default

I wasn't referring to your argument
__________________



Urb's RYM Stuff

Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.
Urban Hat€monger ? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 07:12 AM   #8797 (permalink)
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,304
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. View Post
Elvis Presley music was mostly co-written/written by Weisman on his credits. He was not african american. It was not standard for people to list writers in the credits of music until much later in Elvis's career. That is something that was done due to litigation at a later point. None of the african american singers of the time credited writers of their songs either, just thought i'd point that out. I am gonna fail to see anything but talent when it involves Elvis, he was an innovator and he would have had breakthrough talent whether he wrote his music or not. Elton John doesn't write his own music does that make him a hack also?
Elvis covered a alot of African American songs and took from alot of African American songwriters.


Otis blackwell (renowned African American songwriter)- wrote Elvis's "Don't Be Cruel", "All Shook Up" which he originally recorded but like I said..... Elvis scouted the African American rock n roll songwriters/musicians because it was easy to cover their music without crediting them.

He heard Otis version and really liked it which is why he wanted to record those songs and it became a hit. Of course nobody knows about Blackwell's original versions though.


NONE of those black songwriters got a nickle from those Elvis songs, NONE.
Sad really when you think about it. The Elvis Estate is worth a billion I don't see why the family of those songwriters can't be compensated.
Soulflower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 07:13 AM   #8798 (permalink)
Because I Am, I Can!
 
CoNtrivedNiHilism's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,128
Default

I'd just like to say...

Absolutely in no way does it take away from Elvis' merit or talent that the majority of his material, are covers. As was stated by many others before me. Being that a lot of his music was a cover song. That man managed to pull off something spectacular because he was genuine talent, he was a fabulous entertainer/singer. If any person can actually say seriously that Elvis was not all that talented of a fellow, or he has no merit or contribution to the music he played...sir or madam, the door is over there, please leave with your opinions.

Just saying, haha...

realtalk92

People don't need to be attractive to be successful, nor talented. There's examples of artists that prove that true. And you sound a bit ignorant to say Elvis contributed nothing innovative to the music he made a career out of. Sir. I'm just not so sure about you sometimes.
CoNtrivedNiHilism is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 07:13 AM   #8799 (permalink)
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,304
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ? View Post
I wasn't referring to your argument

I still disagree.

When I see Elvis twisting his legs and moving his hips. He is imitating Jackie Wilson and it is nothing original.


I wonder if the artist in question was African American would people have no problem with that artist copying other artist and being credited for it. People are so quick to trash MJ but not Elvis, its disgusting.
Soulflower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2014, 07:17 AM   #8800 (permalink)
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,304
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism View Post
I'd just like to say...

Absolutely in no way does it take away from Elvis' merit or talent that the majority of his material, are covers. As was stated by many others before me. Being that a lot of his music was a cover song. That man managed to pull off something spectacular because he was genuine talent, he was a fabulous entertainer/singer. If any person can actually say seriously that Elvis was not all that talented of a fellow, or he has no merit or contribution to the music he played...sir or madam, the door is over there, please leave with your opinions.

Just saying, haha...

Elvis was a white imitation of black music and entertainers. I rather watch the real kings and originators: Chuck, Little Richard, Jackie Wilson, etc because they are real Rock N Roll and Blues.

I also find it disgusting that the white media insist on claiming Elvis originated Rock N Roll and Blues when he did not.

Actually the truth needs to be said especially on a board like this that seems biased towards African American artists.
Soulflower is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Similar Threads



© 2003-2024 Advameg, Inc.