I like how he assumed I was talking about them too when I wasn't

sell yourself
 

Nevermind was produced by Butch Vig and he is the one that "Butched" their original sound. Bleach is by far Nirvanas best album in the sense they did everything themselves but you cant tell me they sold out for two reasons:
1. Listen to their work with Steve Albini on In Utero

2. Cobain is dead (whether he did it himself or not).

selling out, through the musicians eye, is just like the others have said "playing music thats not from the heart and trying to be something youre not."

Whats being dead got to do with authenticity?

He sold out because he's dead?

Well thats a new one.

And RATM have been in the political arena, not before they signed for Sony but certainly after, screw the motives which you can only make blind assumptions about, the point is they have actually been doing sh*t and you give them no credit. They were active in protests to free political prisoners Leonard Peltier and Mumia Abu-Jamal, and individually Morrelo and La Rocha have been active in a crapload of protests, La Rocha was notably involved in supporting the Zapatista Army of National Liberation on their homeland (Chiapas)... Morello co-founded the Axis of Justice, which is a non-profit organization aiding the efforts of grassroots political groups and its political goals have included immigrant rights and the abolition of the death penalty, he's also actively participated in a handful of anti war protests and pro communist and pro urban farming rallies.

For gods sake, do a little homework.

Urban, I think if we don't say anything he may shut up about RATM.

Deal?

False pretense, in reality you just don't want to waste your time trying to prove me wrong. But go ahead and stop spouting your bullsh*t, that'll teach me.

False pretense sir, its actually cause I don't want to read about RATM anymore. It won't stop you. I know that cause Im not stupid. I know that you'll just drag it up for no f*cking reason at some undetermined time in the none too distant future but if I can get just a moments silence on the topic that moment will do me just fine.

BINGO

There's my point right there. I heard them when their debut album came out and made my choice about them then.
So they did some stuff afterwards , well good for them. But as you keep on saying it should be about the music. Do you really expect me to say 'Hmm they're doing a lot of good work on their causes these days maybe I should go back and reconsider about how good a bunch of second hand Helmet riffs and a whiney lead singer who reminds me of a spilt brat can be'.

Again, political motives mean **** compared to the causes, not to mention they got signed almost after they started, which would explain why they didn't participate in political events prior to sony, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME. They were just lucky.

Again, I'll have to repeat it for you, motives mean absolutely nothing if you're benefiting a good cause. Just as long as its not world domination or causing harm to others.

For example, as Sean Hannity and any right wing nut will tell you, Al Gore is a downright hypocrite when it comes to how he personally treats the environment (private jets, electric consuming households, zinc mines, etc) and he's STILL the best choice we f*cking have for president. I'd vote for him, I don't care that he's a hypocrite, he benefits good causes, and he would be a good president, thats what matters to me.

RATM however are not hypocrites.

So you admit to your ignorance, fantastic, we have ourselves a breakthrough.

Indeed its about the music, but you havent talked jacksh*t about the music, you used their alledged hypocrisy as justification for calling them a crap band.

I don't get where you come up with the "second hand Helmet riffs" bid, you pulled that one completely out of your bum? I like Helmet, but I don't hear many similarities, and even if I did, having f*cking influences dosen't make them a bad band, nor does a whiney singer. Speaking of which, a Sex Pistols, Cure, Smiths and Joy Division fan complaining about whiney singers has LOLRONY written all over it.