Top-50 All-time (Rough Draft) (blues, reggae, rock, genre, album)

Son of JayJamJah · 08-01-2007, 07:43 PM

@ Frances

It's not about right or wrong it's about fairness and objectivity. I don;t claim that I will get it "right" just that I will try my best.

Frances · 08-01-2007, 07:48 PM

I wasn't replying to you JayJam, I was saying there is no "right" in music to the new guy, you can't say "This has to be on there" because it doesn't, it's all subjective.
They can't all be in on the list, there's more than 50 great bands out there!

Son of JayJamJah · 08-01-2007, 07:49 PM

I know, I was just saying.

By the way your picture has started to freak me out.

Other then that you still Rock!!!!!

MHDTV · 08-01-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by THEREALFROST

Not Even Close To Being Right

Where Is The Isley Brothers? George Clinton? Santana,prince,the Birds,the Supremes,temptations,canned Heat,van Halen,alabama?
311 Shouldnt Even Be On The List,

Elvis Or The Jackson Five Number #1 Based On Sales Concerts,
Sales After Death,

The Jackson 5 would be nowhere near the top(Michael Jackson himself would be #3), and Elvis would be #2. Try using proper grammar and punctuation.

MHDTV · 08-04-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

This list and all those that follow on the thread are part of a work in progress. My hope is that people will point out flaws they find and offer solutions and reasoning so that I can make the best possible list following the Criteria I have set in advance.

ERA: The last 100 years of Rock and Roll Music
Genres: All major genres with a Rock & Roll connection
Factors for ranking
#1 Popular Opinion - How is the band viewed both by the public as a whole and amongst their peers.
#2 Commercial Success - Albums sold, Awards won etc.
#3 Longevity - How has the band or artist stood the test of time. Are they still relevant and respected or have they become tacky.
#4 Technical Ability - How good are they at writing songs and playing their instruments
#5 Showmanship - How are their lives shows, TV appearances, interviews etc.
#6 Groundbreakings - What was their impact on culture as a whole, the music world and their genre
#7 Personal Opinion - It's my list it will in part reflect that naturally. I have an eclectic musical taste but am of course as prone to bias as anyone.

That said tell me how wrong I am...

Original List

1. Led Zeppelin
2. The Beatles
3. The Rolling Stones
4. The Who
5. Jimi Hendrix
6. Bob Dylan
7. Eric Clapton
8. Elvis Pressley
9. Stevie Wonder
10. Van Morrison
11. Queen
12. Janis Joplin
13. Green Day
14. Rage Against the Machine
15. Mettalica
16. Nirvana
17. Pink Floyd
18. Credence Clearwater Revival
19. System of a Down
20. The Grateful Dead
21. The Doors
22. The Beach Boys
23. The Allman Brothers Band
24. Bob Marley
25. Chuck Berry
26. Incubus
27. CSNY
28. Lynrd Skynard
29. The Eagles
30. The Police
31. 311
32. Jack Johnson
33. Elvis Costello
34. Aretha Franklin
35. Genesis
36. The Clash
37. Ben Harper
38. Boston
39. Black Sabbath
40. Bad Company
41. Red Hot Chili Peppers
42. Aerosmith
43. Pearl Jam
44. The Guess Who
45. Styx
46. James Brown
47. Buddy Holly
48. Ray Charles
49. Tu-Pac
50. David Bowie

Highest Evolution to date:

1. Led Zeppelin
2. The Beatles
3. The Rolling Stones
4. Jimi Hendrix
5. The Who
6. Bob Dylan
7. Eric Clapton
8. Stevie Wonder
9. Elvis Presley
10. Pearl Jam
11. Pink Floyd
12. Queen
13. Van Morrison
14. The Beach Boys
15. Johnny Cash
16. Metallica
17. David Bowie
18. The Allman Brothers Band
19. The Grateful Dead
20. Nirvana
21. Bob Marley
22. Janis Joplin
23. Creedence Clearwater Revival
24. Chuck Berry
25. Velvet Underground
26. Elvis Costello
27. Incubus
28. The Doors
29. Ray Charles
30. CSNY
31. Red Hot Chili Peppers
32. Black Sabbath
33. Aretha Franklin
34. Michael Jackson
35. Green Day
36. Roy Orbison
37. B.B. King
38. Rage Against the Machine
39. Elton John
40. The Police
41. Rakim
42. The Clash
43. Marvin ***e
44. Simon and Garfunkel
45. The Eagles
46. The Ramones
47. Tupac
48. 311
49. Yes
50. Sublime

Hmmm. Rush>311. King Crimson>RATM.
Reasoning:
King Crimson-RATM
Popular Opinion: King Crimson is more highly regarded by critics(Despite being prog), but is less popular.
Commercial Success: RATM 1.5-.5
Longevity: King Crimson has been going since the 60's all the while changing their style multiple times. 1.5-1.5
Technical Ability: King Crimson by a laughable margin. 1.5-2.5
Showmanship: I'll say RATM, haven't heard much of anything about King Crimson's stage show. 2.5-2.5
Groundbreaking: Mellotron for the win(King Crimson in case you couldn't guess). 2.5-3.5
I'll leave out the last one(Personal opinion)

Rush-311
Popular Opinion: Rush is regarded more highly by both critics and the public. 1-0
Commercial Success: Rush has sold more Lp's, Ep's etc. 2-0
Longevity: Rush has consistently been turning out polular albums since the 70's. 3-0
Technical Ability: Rush is one of most technically skilled bands ever. 4-0
Showmanship: Rush was aazing at liv shows, each member playing their instruments while using pedals to produce sampled loops. 5-0
Groundbreaking: I'll give this to 311 because they weren' the first band of their type, but they were among the first. 5-1.

boo boo · 08-04-2007, 05:09 PM

1. King Crimson is not more critically acclaimed than RATM, nice try.

2. Longetivity isn't really too good of a criteria. Think of how long Toto have been around and compare that to Jimi Hendrix.

3. King Crimson were not the first to use Mellotron. The Moody Blues had used one on their 1967 album Days Of Future Past, Pink Floyd used one in Saucerful of Secrets and The Kinks used one prominately in The Kinks Are Village Green Preservation Society. And of course The Beatles made famous use of it in Strawberry Fields Forwever.

King Crimson simply made the instrument a progressive rock staple.

I still think KC > RATM though, I just don't like the criteria.

sleepy jack · 08-04-2007, 05:11 PM

Uhhh so Green Day is beating the Clash AND the Ramones?

MHDTV · 08-04-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

1. King Crimson is not more critically acclaimed than RATM, nice try.

2. Longetivity isn't really too good of a criteria. Think of how long Toto have been around and compare that to Jimi Hendrix.

3. King Crimson were not the first to use Mellotron. The Moody Blues had used one on their 1967 album Days Of Future Past, Pink Floyd used one in Saucerful of Secrets and The Kinks used one prominately in The Kinks Are Village Green Preservation Society. And of course The Beatles made famous use of it in Strawberry Fields Forwever.

King Crimson simply made the instrument a progressive rock staple.

I still think KC > RATM though, I just don't like the criteria.

1. Discounting the **** that is Robert Christgau, yes they are.
2. It's not my criteria.
3. They were still one of the first to use it.

boo boo · 08-04-2007, 05:33 PM

I'm not just talking about Christgau. In general RATM are more critically accepted. Just look up a whole bunch of critics lists and see how many more lists RATM make than KC.

MHDTV · 08-04-2007, 05:39 PM

Not by my local papers, or any other professional reviews I've seen. Still, KC>RATM because the categories it won are more important. Which is of course the flaw in this rating system.

08-01-2007, 07:43 PM	#211 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	@ Frances It's not about right or wrong it's about fairness and objectivity. I don;t claim that I will get it "right" just that I will try my best.

08-01-2007, 07:49 PM	#213 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	I know, I was just saying. By the way your picture has started to freak me out. Other then that you still Rock!!!!!