The Beatles (country, pop, rock, great song, fan)

Rainard Jalen · 03-27-2007, 12:35 PM

Neither Lennon nor McCartney were Beatlemania. Beatlemania was simply born out of clever, aggressive marketing. It wouldn't have even existed if John Lennon had been a solo artist. It was the Beatles as a single entity, the image of the whole band and all that was associated with it, that was used to create Beatlemania.

If you want to say that the Beatles was merely a vehicle for the greater artistic cause of John Lennon, then fine. You're wrong, but fine.

right-track · 03-27-2007, 01:15 PM

Interestingly enough Lennon once said of McCartney, as being "all form and no substance" and that their song writing partnership was over as early as 1962.
He also went on to say they did their best stuff from then on, separately.

Lennon's early influences were in the earliest forms of R&B and Soul, which explains the Beatles version of the Isley Brothers 'Twist & Shout' (1962), which in turn was produced by a pre fame Phil Spector, of all people.

Lennon's hero was Roy Orbison, which explains his singing style (as he wanted to sound like him...although I don't see it personally)...anyway, my feeling is that the Beatles would have been a far better band if Lennon had kicked the shit out of that prat McCartney from the very start.

Edit: the above rant has no reference to Beatlemania whatsoever, but it's off topic saving grace is that it's by far the most interesting post so far, which includes the opening 'cut & paste' effort.

boo boo · 03-27-2007, 02:31 PM

I f*cking hate it when people say a band (any band) is about one musician. It's not, I don't care who contributes most, everyone contributes something, either in terms of songwriting or musicianship. This includes every band, even The White Stripes.

Don't even bring up Sid Vicious as a counterpoint, he didn't even play on the records OR live (his "bass playing" was all mime) so he dosen't count. He did sing that hillarious version of My Way though.

heart · 04-26-2007, 10:39 PM

What caused beatlemania was a fresh perspective and you can attribute that to just john or just paul or just ringo or george but it doesn't matter...the ideas, the music- that's what has stood the test of time.

Rainard Jalen · 04-28-2007, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by timbo

John was the mastermind behind Beatlemania in the early days, he was the driving force , his genius supplied the rocket fuel behind the Beatles meteoric rise to fame. I feel that so many of the early songs are his alone, songs like ' I want to hold your hand ' and 'She loves You' for example. I don t think Paul had very much to do with them.

Regarding "She Loves You", John Lennon said in an interview in 1980:

Quote:

"It was written together (with Paul) and I don't remember how. I remember it was Paul's idea — instead of singing 'I love you' again, we'd have a third party. The 'Woooo' was taken from the Isley Brothers' 'Twist and Shout,' which we stuck into everything."

Regarding "I Want To Hold Your Hand", Lennon said in a September 1980 interview with Playboy magazine (published in December of that year):

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"We wrote a lot of stuff together, one on one, eyeball to eyeball. Like in 'I Want To Hold Your Hand,' I remember when we got the chord that made the song. We were in Jane Asher's house, downstairs in the cellar playing on the piano at the same time. And we had, 'Oh you-u-u/ got that something...' And Paul hits this chord, and I turn to him and say, 'That's it!' I said, 'Do that again!' In those days, we really used to absolutely write like that—both playing into each other's noses."

In 2007, Timbo said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

"I feel that so many of the early songs are his alone, songs like ' I want to hold your hand ' and 'She loves You' for example. I don t think Paul had very much to do with them."

Conclusion: Timbo thought and "felt" wrong.

Rainard Jalen · 04-28-2007, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timbo

Im sorry, a melody is such a unique creation
It is unique and can only really come from one
mind its like a diamond with many facets.

Elton wrote the tunes, his mate wrote the words,
Lloyd Webber wrote the tunes Tim Rice wrote the words
Fritz Loew wrote the tunes Alan Lerner wrote the words.
Beethoven wrote the tunes no one co wrote them with him

I just think that those early Beatle songs that electrified everyone back in 1963 all have the John Lennon hallmark
No doubt Paul was a great sounding board and could give his honest opinion etc

I saw her standing there has Paul written all over it
Things we said today etc you can see his genius as a songwriter being expressed there

but those amazing early songs
Not a second time
Please please me
From me to you
She loves you
I want to hold your hand etc have John Lennons fingerprints all over them

In early 1964 Paul takes over with
Can t buy me love
but John soon reasurts himself with
Hard days night
I feel fine
Ticket to ride
Help
and the B side on most of those is obviously one of
Pauls efforts.
It goes on in 1967 Penny Lane is Paul
and the B side Strawberry field s it John

They were a dynamic , unstoppable team who dominated the
1960s, will we ever see their like again ?

Heres a Beatles audio you might want to have a listen to
go here
Putfile - Beatles the end of touring

You are truly foolish. Your claim that two people cannot contribute to a final melody is utter trash and you clearly have no clue what the hell you're talking about. Also, it's not just about the melody - there's also the chords, the song structure, the instrumental arrangements, etc.. With regard to the chords, the interview EXPLICITLY describes Paul coming up with ideas. He was as much a part of the process as John. Moreover, the whole "Lennon/McCartney" thing started for a reason. Originally, they actually DID write the songs in a true partnership - "played into each other's noses", as Lennon said. The partnership only really ended well after Beatlemania had begun. Your claims are just absolute garbage.

You can continue dreaming that John Lennon wrote those major early hits himself. But you're ignoring the facts and EVEN what Lennon said himself in countless damn interviews.

sleepy jack · 05-23-2007, 04:28 PM

Ringo>>>George Harrison>>>John Lennon>>>Paul McCartney

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-23-2007, 04:30 PM

You need a few more thousand >>>>>>>>'s on that last one

sleepy jack · 05-23-2007, 04:37 PM

I've been diggin the Beatles lately, I think my favorite album is either Revolver or Abbey Road. I like George Harrison's stuff best, like Something, Think For Yourself, Here Comes the Sun, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Long Long Long etc. My favorite songs are probably, Eleanor Rigby, For No One, Something, Here Comes the Sun, Blackbird, Long Long Long, If I Needed Someone, and Because.

jackhammer · 05-26-2007, 05:32 PM

Abbey Road, followed by Revolver.

Sgt Peppers was culturally significant, and has a lot of recording techniques that have greatly influenced modern music-but there are some duffers on there-let's be honest!

03-27-2007, 12:35 PM	#241 (permalink)
Rainard Jalen Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,221	Y'all are wrong Neither Lennon nor McCartney were Beatlemania. Beatlemania was simply born out of clever, aggressive marketing. It wouldn't have even existed if John Lennon had been a solo artist. It was the Beatles as a single entity, the image of the whole band and all that was associated with it, that was used to create Beatlemania. If you want to say that the Beatles was merely a vehicle for the greater artistic cause of John Lennon, then fine. You're wrong, but fine.

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right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	Interestingly enough Lennon once said of McCartney, as being "all form and no substance" and that their song writing partnership was over as early as 1962. He also went on to say they did their best stuff from then on, separately. Lennon's early influences were in the earliest forms of R&B and Soul, which explains the Beatles version of the Isley Brothers 'Twist & Shout' (1962), which in turn was produced by a pre fame Phil Spector, of all people. Lennon's hero was Roy Orbison, which explains his singing style (as he wanted to sound like him...although I don't see it personally)...anyway, my feeling is that the Beatles would have been a far better band if Lennon had kicked the shit out of that prat McCartney from the very start. Edit: the above rant has no reference to Beatlemania whatsoever, but it's off topic saving grace is that it's by far the most interesting post so far, which includes the opening 'cut & paste' effort. Last edited by right-track; 03-27-2007 at 01:22 PM.

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04-26-2007, 10:39 PM	#244 (permalink)
heart Groupie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5	What caused beatlemania was a fresh perspective and you can attribute that to just john or just paul or just ringo or george but it doesn't matter...the ideas, the music- that's what has stood the test of time.

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jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Abbey Road, followed by Revolver. Sgt Peppers was culturally significant, and has a lot of recording techniques that have greatly influenced modern music-but there are some duffers on there-let's be honest!