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Old 07-24-2008, 09:54 AM   #151 (permalink)
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What part, exactly, of Brian's work, is better than Barrett's? The lyrics and structures in Brian's songs, even in their "best" work, Pet Sounds, are far, far less innovative and diverse than Gates of Dawn, or even Barrett's solo albums.
Well lets see, Brian wrote songs about love and longing and as cliche as those themes may be, he was really damn good at it. His structures and melodies were brilliant too.

Syd wrote about mostly nonsensical things and his "structures" pretty much just meant endless noodling and odd noises. And Prog bands do it better. His melodies and lyrics were nothing more intricate than your average nursery rhyme, since thats basically what most Syd era Floyd songs actually sound like.
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Old 07-27-2008, 10:50 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Oh, I forgot to add Peter, Paul, and Mary to my overrated list. I love music from the 60's, but I can't stand them.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:36 AM   #153 (permalink)
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I like this thread. No need for all the semantics. Whether you call it "over rated", "lame" or just "bands that I don't get", it's pretty obvious what the OP is expressing.

I can't stand U2. Radiohead is also extremely boring and pseudo intellectual IMO. Most art pop is.
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Old 07-28-2008, 04:01 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Lil Wayne, Cant Rap For ****
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:08 PM   #155 (permalink)
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I like this thread. No need for all the semantics. Whether you call it "over rated", "lame" or just "bands that I don't get", it's pretty obvious what the OP is expressing.

I can't stand U2. Radiohead is also extremely boring and pseudo intellectual IMO. Most art pop is.

Ah, glad you pointed out Radiohead.
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Should he even be considered overrated? I mean, do the critics even take him seriously?
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I like this thread. No need for all the semantics. Whether you call it "over rated", "lame" or just "bands that I don't get", it's pretty obvious what the OP is expressing.

I can't stand U2. Radiohead is also extremely boring and pseudo intellectual IMO. Most art pop is.
Radiohead isn't art pop. Not even close. (VU probably best approximates what good art pop should sound like). And if you want to hear pseudo-intellectual bullshit, download Tool's discography. Maynard doesn't even know what the fuck he's singing about. Certainly a must for your twonk friends.
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I like this thread. No need for all the semantics. Whether you call it "over rated", "lame" or just "bands that I don't get", it's pretty obvious what the OP is expressing.

I can't stand U2. Radiohead is also extremely boring and pseudo intellectual IMO. Most art pop is.
How is Radiohead pretending to be intellectual? How the hell are they 'art pop', whatever that means.
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As a self-proclaimed hip-hop head I feel I must re-open the discussion on Kanye West. I understand that you would say he is overrated, I've heard people compare Kanye's rapping to that of Lupe Fiasco which is a ridiculous comparison. the thing I have an issue with is the people saying that Kanye West is garbage and uncreative. Sure, as a lyricist, Kanye West is most definitely sub-par, but his production style more than makes up for it. He's not a conventional rapper either, Kanye is more of punchline rapper, he'll say a coupl okay rhymes and then say something that makes you chuckle, it's a breath of fresh air from a lot of hip-pop played on the radio. As for Kanye's use of samples, I don't believe it's lack of creativity, to be able to listen to one song and form something entirely different out of it, is a form of creativity. I'd compare it to garbage diving, he's found something that is forgotten in some sense and made something new.
Jay-z's "Lucifer" is a good example
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YouTube - Chase The Devil-Max Romeo
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YouTube - Jay-z - Lucifer

There is a distinct difference in feeling you get from both tracks which I like. So yes, Kanye is a ****y mutha and, yes, his rappig is sub-par compared to a Lupe Fiasco or a Jay-z etc.. but his skills lie as a producer/punchline rapper also keep in mind, another celebrated producer/MC, Dr. Dre, was never the greatest on the mic either.
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Radiohead isn't art pop. Not even close. (VU probably best approximates what good art pop should sound like). And if you want to hear pseudo-intellectual bullshit, download Tool's discography. Maynard doesn't even know what the fuck he's singing about. Certainly a must for your twonk friends.

Where is the encyclopedia you are referencing? I ask because as you are disagreeing in an absolute sense, I am certain you must have a solid and established stance from which to draw your conclusion from. I would also be interested in what *is* an excellent example of Art Pop?

Thanks!
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