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Old 07-30-2008, 01:36 PM   #171 (permalink)
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If that's the case you were REALLY off base via The Velvet Underground reference.
The Velvet Underground were one of the first to use music as an art form rather than a compositional arrangement. (Which is what Andy Warhol intended when he produced The Velvet Underground & Nico). If that doesn't qualify as art rock, "art pop," whatever, then you need to re-evaluate what you think it means.

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Friend, lets bring this full circle to a common ground of intelligent conversation. I took the time to defined clearly what I was referring to via the jargon I used. Maybe that's a misconception on my behalf. I will give you that much. But if all you can do as a music appreciator is be short, sarcastic and withdrawn, how could I possibly see the matter through your ears so to speak?
I'm being sarcastic and withdrawn because you're not making any collective sense.

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I have been searching and searching for an enthusiastic and INTELLIGENT music appreciation community. You wanna know what the two biggest draw backs that have hindered that process so far are? <whether you do or don't> Those two specific handicaps are comprised of age differences (most people under 18 live to insult themselves on message boards, not all though.) and cliques. Thankfully I haven't got a strong whiff of either here yet.
The people here on MusicBanter know what they're talking about. And they don't bullshit about it. Age-elitism isn't a great way to make friends, either. Although I'm only nineteen, Proggyman, one of the youngest members, is just as intelligent and cogent as most of the old farts here. I don't pretend to be the most musically knowledgable or intelligent, but I have enough sense to not make unwarranted and unsupported abjections.

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If you REALLY care about music AND communication, you'll avoid dismissive one sentence remarks that attempt to justify your brevity and take the time to honestly spell yourself out intelligently.
Okay, let me spell it out, then. In NO way is Radiohead "art pop." Their music expresses a great discord from traditional methods of songwriting, but the music is lyrically, compositionally, and musically structured, like everything else out there. Furthermore, Radiohead has come a looooong way and continue to reinvent themselves on every album. They were built upon an alternative rock single and elected to diversify and produce different music each time they went into the studio. They are overrated by some people, but they are in no way a poor band, bland, tedious, what-fucking-ever.

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What the hell else is personal passion/special interest based discussion for?
Exactly. So don't take offense when we call you out on bullshit.

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Old 07-30-2008, 01:47 PM   #172 (permalink)
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Progressive Rock! rotflol....dooooooodd! That's the longest stretch for the term I have ever heard.
It's not a stretch at all, theres more to prog that just the nerdy stuff like Rush and ELP. Radiohead are heavly influenced by krautrock, and yes that is considered progressive rock.

I'd certainly consider Kid A progressive rock to some extent. And it's very easy to draw comparisons between songs like Paranoid Android and 2 + 2 = 5 and the work of say John Wetton era King Crimson.

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Alternative pop rock maybe
Wow, thats even a more retarded term than art pop, where in the hell are you getting these?

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"Progressive" No way.
So now I know I'm arguing with a closedminded fool.

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Incidentally "pigeonholed" comparison and my original thoughts are miles apart. By that definition you gave, ANY band that a person felt sincerely fanatical about is above personal classification. I don't buy that for a second. The term "deserve" is mighty subjective.
Thats a bunch of crap. If you think Radiohead are just a by the numbers pop band you're out of your mind.
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Old 07-30-2008, 01:52 PM   #173 (permalink)
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age differences (most people under 18 live to insult themselves on message boards
dude first of all i havent agreed with anything youve posted yet....but this ones the worst. im only ****in' 13 and i can hold my own against all these guys without "insuting myself"


and thats just about message boards some of the things you've said about music are so obliviusly wrong that i cant believe someone actually has that opinion!
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:11 PM   #174 (permalink)
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bummer, the way the board is set up it removes the thoughts you responded to. I PROMISE you a sincere response that I am certain you will appreciate as soon as I have time to open a second window and arrange the cut n pastes. I will say that by separating the linearity of the thoughts I presented, you are hacking the contextual meaning. I honestly think you know that though. Clever. I will be back soon.

edit: I think what I am going to do to show a sincere level of sincerity and appreciation for Radiohead is dig out my copy of Kid A and give it a spin. I remember going...OMG, this is terrible. Who knows, maybe I will re-orientate myself. I have done that with MANY groups. I will feedback along with a detailed response before the end of the day if I can find it readily. I have roughly 6000 CDs in the room I believe it's in so it may take a while to find it.
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Old 07-30-2008, 02:12 PM   #175 (permalink)
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The Velvet Underground were one of the first to use music as an art form rather than a compositional arrangement. (Which is what Andy Warhol intended when he produced The Velvet Underground & Nico). If that doesn't qualify as art rock, "art pop," whatever, then you need to re-evaluate what you think it means.


I'm being sarcastic and withdrawn because you're not making any collective sense.


The people here on MusicBanter know what they're talking about. And they don't bullshit about it. Age-elitism isn't a great way to make friends, either. Although I'm only nineteen, Proggyman, one of the youngest members, is just as intelligent and cogent as most of the old farts here. I don't pretend to be the most musically knowledgable or intelligent, but I have enough sense to not make unwarranted and unsupported abjections.


Okay, let me spell it out, then. In NO way is Radiohead "art pop." Their music expresses a great discord from traditional methods of songwriting, but the music is lyrically, compositionally, and musically structured, like everything else out there. Furthermore, Radiohead has come a looooong way and continue to reinvent themselves on every album. They were built upon an alternative rock single and elected to diversify and produce different music each time they went into the studio. They are overrated by some people, but they are in no way a poor band, bland, tedious, what-fucking-ever.


Exactly. So don't take offense when we call you out on bullshit.

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Man, you talk about self contrived nonsense. Bull**** according to who? You have provided ZERO references to back up what you are contending. ZERO.

Incidentally Art Rock has NOTHING to do with your spouted nonsense about "art used in conjunction" with a music group. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Art Rock was a term used to denote the most elaborate of PROGRESSIVE ROCK groups like Yes & ELP.

Man, it's not me here that isn't making sense or spouting bull****. People NEED to stop being defensive and start making with the logic. I am still pretty awed by the Urban Hate person. Now that's some tricky logic but you'll understand me better when I reply.
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Ugh. Stop talking and say something.
Seriously, I hate people that just spit out condescending, pseudo intellectual bullsh*t out through an incoherent wall of text.
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It's not a stretch at all, theres more to prog that just the nerdy stuff like Rush and ELP. Radiohead are heavly influenced by krautrock, and yes that is considered progressive rock.

I'd certainly consider Kid A progressive rock to some extent. And it's very easy to draw comparisons between songs like Paranoid Android and 2 + 2 = 5 and the work of say John Wetton era King Crimson.



Wow, thats even a more retarded term than art pop, where in the hell are you getting these?



So now I know I'm arguing with a closedminded fool.



Thats a bunch of crap. If you think Radiohead are just a by the numbers pop band you're out of your mind.
OK. Time to get real. I have some questions for your ass holiness if you would be kind enough to indulge me. Where did the term "Progressive Rock" come from? What does the term mean? It has an absolute definition and if you think for one second in your pea brained nonsensical mind that radiohead is progressive rock you are a bigger idiot than could be imagined.

Now, boy wonder, WTF does Progressive Rock mean?

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dude first of all i havent agreed with anything youve posted yet....but this ones the worst. im only ****in' 13 and i can hold my own against all these guys without "insuting myself"


and thats just about message boards some of the things you've said about music are so obliviusly wrong that i cant believe someone actually has that opinion!

Please give me an example specifically of something I said that was clinically and provably wrong. You're showing your age big time.
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Ahhh, the glory of Wikipedia. And the fallacy of people that read it too quickly and skim too unthoroughly...

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Man, you talk about self contrived nonsense. Bull**** according to who? You have provided ZERO references to back up what you are contending. ZERO.
"The Golden Age of Rock lectures define art rock as 'a piece of music in the rock idiom that is appealing more intellectually or musically, that is, not formulated along pop lines for mass consumption.'"

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Incidentally Art Rock has NOTHING to do with your spouted nonsense about "art used in conjunction" with a music group. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Art Rock was a term used to denote the most elaborate of PROGRESSIVE ROCK groups like Yes & ELP.
I never said it was. In the case of VU, that's what they intended. However, art rock also defines a genre of a "more mainstream compositional nature, leading to experiemntation in this genre." This brings along Roxy Music, Brian Eno, David Bowie...and holy shit! The Velvet Underground.

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Man, it's not me here that isn't making sense or spouting bull****. People NEED to stop being defensive and start making with the logic. I am still pretty awed by the Urban Hate person. Now that's some tricky logic but you'll understand me better when I reply.
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Seriously, I hate people that just spit out condescending, pseudo intellectual bullsh*t out through an incoherent wall of text.
self hate is such a drag. You should write a book. You'd probably have tough time keeping the pages dry though wouldn't you?

The town whiner lives...poor little greenie.
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self hate is such a drag. You should write a book. You'd probably have tough time keeping the pages dry though wouldn't you?

The town whiner lives...poor little greenie.
Drop the personal insults please.
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