Which country (within the Anglosphere) makes the best music? (house, jazz)

jackhammer · 03-03-2009, 01:26 PM

America invented Rap? Pfft. It comes from jamacian soundsystems and european electronic music with a smattering of funk and soul. The Jamacians were 'toasting' in the 60's!

**Janszoon** · 03-03-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

America invented Rap? Pfft. It comes from jamacian soundsystems and european electronic music with a smattering of funk and soul. The Jamacians were 'toasting' in the 60's!

A smattering of funk and soul? I would say it evolved pretty much directly out out of funk and soul, that's hardly a smattering.

And let me just say for the record, my wife comes from a Jamaican family. Many of her aunts and uncles were born in Jamaica but were raised in NYC in the earliest years of hip-hop and they all talk about the original hip-hop shows they went to see back in the day and the people they were into. Not a single one of the people they talk about are from the West Indies, they are all from the New York area. And these relatives are people born in Jamaica with lots of roots still to this day in Jamaica but when they talk about early hip-hop they are talking about NYC.

Likewise I think the influence of European electronic music on hip-hop is often overstated. It's true that Afrika Bambaataa sampled Kraftwerk but there's not too much beyond that. If anything, the electronic music coming out of Detroit and Chicago was a much bigger influence.

Molecules · 03-03-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

A smattering of funk and soul? I would say it evolved pretty much directly out out of funk and soul, that's hardly a smattering.

And let me just say for the record, my wife comes from a Jamaican family. Many of her aunts and uncles were raised in NYC in the earliest years of hip-hop and they all talk about the original hip-hop shows they went to see back in the day and the people they were into. Not a single one of the people they talk about are from the West Indies, they are all from the New york area. And these relatives are people born in Jamaica with lots of roots still to this day in Jamaica but when they talk about early hip-hop they are talking about NYC.

Likewise I think the influence of European electronic music on hip-hop is often overstated. It's true that Afrika Bambaataa samples Kraftwerk but there's not too much beyond that. If anything, the electronic music coming out Detroit and Chicago was a much bigger influence.

Juan Atkins and Derrick May (inventors of techno) nicked their half their concepts off Kraftwerk and other European musicians, and I read that in a book

edit: i hope these poll results stick, I am happy with it (allow Europe, Asia, Africa, South America etc all being condemned to 'other')

**Janszoon** · 03-05-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Molecules

Juan Atkins and Derrick May (inventors of techno) nicked their half their concepts off Kraftwerk and other European musicians, and I read that in a book

So the Americans who made music that was a partial influence on the Americans who created hip-hop were partially influenced by one German group. Wow, big European influence on the birth of hip-hop there.

Molecules · 03-05-2009, 02:35 PM

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So the Americans who made music that was a partial influence on the Americans who created hip-hop were partially influenced by one German group. Wow, big European influence on the birth of hip-hop there.

yeah... but it was way more than just a partial influence on the people that influenced the music that influenced hip hop, i think i thought you were on about techno. influence.

influence.

but to be honest i don't see where you got the house/techno thing from. Unless you're talking about hip house which was really short lived... but dayum!

**Janszoon** · 03-05-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Molecules

yeah... but it was way more than just a partial influence on the people that influenced the music that influenced hip hop, i think i thought you were on about techno. influence.

influence.

but to be honest i don't see where you got the house/techno thing from. Unless you're talking about hip house which was really short lived... but dayum!

I was just responding to the claim that European electronic music was somehow this huge influence on early hip-hop which it wasn't. The biggest influence on hip-hop was pretty clearly funk and most of the earliest hip-hop recordings were in fact done by funk bands. My point was just that the smaller amount of influence exerted on hip-hop by electronic music came largely by way of Detroit and Chicago, not Düsseldorf.

Interesting song you posted though, funny to hear someone sampling Talking Heads.

Molecules · 03-05-2009, 02:49 PM

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I was just responding to the claim that European electronic music was somehow this huge influence on early hip-hop which it wasn't.

well i never claimed that deliberately because that would be patently idiotic, i was talking about detroit techno. Music genre debate no.3587435 it's a wrap folks *shoots self in face*

03-13-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

So America outdoes everyone at making crappy music? Go us!

Idiot.

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

Rock is better than all those other genres combined. And blues, the second best thing on your list, was greatly developed by British acts such as Cream, The Stones and Zed Zeppelin anyway.

Dude, you can't even name a single blues artist. Have you even listened to anything outside of rock? If you consider those blues artists, then get bent. I have nothing more to say to you except ignorance is bliss. BTW nice avatar you have there, he's an american right?

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

America invented Rap? Pfft. It comes from jamacian soundsystems and european electronic music with a smattering of funk and soul. The Jamacians were 'toasting' in the 60's!

influencing=/=inventing , in case you didn't know

blues artists influenced rock, they didn't invent it. rock artists invented rock... historical examples FTW!

jackhammer · 03-13-2009, 03:33 PM

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Idiot.

Dude, you can't even name a single blues artist. Have you even listened to anything outside of rock? If you consider those blues artists, then get bent. I have nothing more to say to you except ignorance is bliss. BTW nice avatar you have there, he's an american right?

influencing=/=inventing , in case you didn't know

blues artists influenced rock, they didn't invent it. rock artists invented rock... historical examples FTW!

It's always nice when people come in all guns blazing

03-13-2009, 03:38 PM

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It's always nice when people come in all guns blazing

rambo's comin' after right-track and hatemonger now!

View Poll Results: Which English-speaking country produce the best music?
The United Kingdom	99	40.57%
Ireland	4	1.64%
The United States	106	43.44%
Canada	14	5.74%
Australia	8	3.28%
New Zealand	4	1.64%
Jamaica	2	0.82%
Other (which?)	7	2.87%
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