So do you feel rock will be on top again (dancing, electronic)

jackhammer · 01-06-2009, 05:36 PM

Please don't destroy them

**Janszoon** · 01-06-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Please don't destroy them

mr dave · 01-06-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

For the past ten years or so it seems everyone has strayed away and gone to rap... Please post your thoughts on this subject

welcome to being old. have big band orchestras come back to being on top? how about jazz ensembles? funk? AOR?

it's not like those styles don't exist anymore or can't be found, but just like rock they're old. rock music is pushing 60 now and hasn't really grown since the 70s. yes there are minor stylistic changes and seminal hybrid examples but overall it's still power chords and pelvic thrusts.

it's no longer the vogue style of the mainstream anymore because it was there 10 years ago. today's kids don't want to listen to more of the same crap 30 somethings grew up with. it's how it's been for decades now, the mainstream caters to the demographic with the most amount of disposable income - teenagers. that's it, that's all. if there are some residual adolescents closing in on 30 who still want to adhere to that facet of pop culture it's their prerogative and a bonus for the mainstream but don't fool yourself into thinking it's anything besides marketing or that you're somehow leading the pack and not just that creepy old dude who thinks they're cool because they'll get beer for the high school kids.

when's the last time you talked to someone who was starting into their 20s in the early 90s when nirvana came along and seemingly changed mainstream music overnight? - it was going so good then it went to hell, all these depressed idiots who couldn't sing, couldn't play their instruments, had no idea how to play 'real' music, 90s rock was just horrible and depressing....

at this point the net is the medium of choice for new music so it's really hard to say what direction things are going to move in with the next generation of kids trying to establish their aural identity.

if you want to play rock music then by all means do it up, unless you live in some super remote area i'm sure there's a local bar that will let you use their stage. on the other hand if you want to be a mainstream rock star you might as well just sell your gear and dump all of that money into lottery tickets.

mr dave · 01-06-2009, 05:52 PM

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Now you are just getting too clever for me

We hijacked a thread pretty good lol

damn i have to start taking less time to write serious replies haha

**Janszoon** · 01-06-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

welcome to being old. have big band orchestras come back to being on top? how about jazz ensembles? funk? AOR?

it's not like those styles don't exist anymore or can't be found, but just like rock they're old. rock music is pushing 60 now and hasn't really grown since the 70s. yes there are minor stylistic changes and seminal hybrid examples but overall it's still power chords and pelvic thrusts.

it's no longer the vogue style of the mainstream anymore because it was there 10 years ago. today's kids don't want to listen to more of the same crap 30 somethings grew up with. it's how it's been for decades now, the mainstream caters to the demographic with the most amount of disposable income - teenagers. that's it, that's all. if there are some residual adolescents closing in on 30 who still want to adhere to that facet of pop culture it's their prerogative and a bonus for the mainstream but don't fool yourself into thinking it's anything besides marketing or that you're somehow leading the pack and not just that creepy old dude who thinks they're cool because they'll get beer for the high school kids.

when's the last time you talked to someone who was starting into their 20s in the early 90s when nirvana came along and seemingly changed mainstream music overnight? - it was going so good then it went to hell, all these depressed idiots who couldn't sing, couldn't play their instruments, had no idea how to play 'real' music, 90s rock was just horrible and depressing....

at this point the net is the medium of choice for new music so it's really hard to say what direction things are going to move in with the next generation of kids trying to establish their aural identity.

if you want to play rock music then by all means do it up, unless you live in some super remote area i'm sure there's a local bar that will let you use their stage. on the other hand if you want to be a mainstream rock star you might as well just sell your gear and dump all of that money into lottery tickets.

I agree with mr dave 100% on this.

Comus · 01-06-2009, 08:05 PM

Mr. Dave makes some good points, but let's remember that there are rock bands that are making it 'big'. I'm talking being able to make music that will make you world known, maybe not within the mainstream, but to enough people that you can be commercially viable. It's not so hard at the end of the day. Rock won't ever die out, simply because none of the styles that came before it have. There are still dance bands, there are still crooners out there playing and making a living out of it.

Just because it isn't "mainstream" anymore (which I completely dissagree with) doesn't mean it's not there. The big bands of the 70's still get thousands of listens, and more and more people are opening up their eyes to the past as well as the future. I used to think that rock was dead and today's kids listen only to rap and other rubbish, but that's wrong. So what if it's not the genre that's talked about the most on the media, who the hell cares? Not you if you bring it up, only the idiots that listen to the media care.

Yukon Cornelius · 01-06-2009, 09:16 PM

I'm basically saying that it seems rap took over for the gen after mine and honestly I think I would rather have my kids listen to any depressed rock star sing than have to hear the wonderful story of eminem

Yukon Cornelius · 01-06-2009, 09:19 PM

Honestly kids are having babies younger than ever all these things that relate back to the message that this Rap music sends out.. Im not saying the new age rock with your buckcherry is away from that. I just seems like a way more sexually explicit type world after the whole Rap blowup.. You do the math.

lucifer_sam · 01-06-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus

Mr. Dave makes some good points, but let's remember that there are rock bands that are making it 'big'. I'm talking being able to make music that will make you world known, maybe not within the mainstream, but to enough people that you can be commercially viable. It's not so hard at the end of the day. Rock won't ever die out, simply because none of the styles that came before it have. There are still dance bands, there are still crooners out there playing and making a living out of it.

Just because it isn't "mainstream" anymore (which I completely dissagree with) doesn't mean it's not there. The big bands of the 70's still get thousands of listens, and more and more people are opening up their eyes to the past as well as the future. I used to think that rock was dead and today's kids listen only to rap and other rubbish, but that's wrong. So what if it's not the genre that's talked about the most on the media, who the hell cares? Not you if you bring it up, only the idiots that listen to the media care.

Plenty of styles have already died out (and it would be unwise to resurrect them), but yes, their influence lives on through popular music. I don't think rock n' roll has waxed quite yet; it may in the next decade or so, but it's still going today. The bigger conundrum is what will happen to the music industry itself (and independent music stores - the real victims of the piracy age).

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Honestly kids are having babies younger than ever all these things that relate back to the message that this Rap music sends out.. Im not saying the new age rock with your buckcherry is away from that. I just seems like a way more sexually explicit type world after the whole Rap blowup.. You do the math.

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~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 01-06-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Honestly kids are having babies younger than ever all these things that relate back to the message that this Rap music sends out.. Im not saying the new age rock with your buckcherry is away from that. I just seems like a way more sexually explicit type world after the whole Rap blowup.. You do the math.

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Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	I'm basically saying that it seems rap took over for the gen after mine and honestly I think I would rather have my kids listen to any depressed rock star sing than have to hear the wonderful story of eminem

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Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	Honestly kids are having babies younger than ever all these things that relate back to the message that this Rap music sends out.. Im not saying the new age rock with your buckcherry is away from that. I just seems like a way more sexually explicit type world after the whole Rap blowup.. You do the math.