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Old 01-06-2009, 09:45 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Well he is right. I have 3 kids. 2 because of rap and only one because of rock-n-roll.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:49 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Well he is right. I have 3 kids. 2 because of rap and only one because of rock-n-roll.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:52 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Honestly kids are having babies younger than ever...
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:56 PM   #34 (permalink)
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So, rap has ruined society? Welcome to the same argument made when Elvis thrust his pelvis in the 50s.

The music that came out of that? Rock and roll. Its descendants? The music you listen to now.

Mainstream rap may be crap, just like mainstream rock can be crock, but in the good old underground there are rap acts making honest music.





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So, rap has ruined society? Welcome to the same argument made when Elvis thrust his pelvis in the 50s.
And also when jazz had people dancing the jitterbug and on and on. Some form of music is always destroying society as far as some people are concerned.
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:02 PM   #36 (permalink)
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True. Music without controversy is uninspired.
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And also when jazz had people dancing the jitterbug and on and on. Some form of music is always destroying society as far as some people are concerned.
I'm hoping people start blaming smooth jazz next.

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Yeah, Society has been in a state of un - doing since the forties if you listen to the naysayers who say "nay" and wind up sounding like horses...


Will rock ever be on top again... I'd like to say yes, but I have a feeling it's going to be a no. That's not because rock is old, terrible or whatever, but I think popular music has been so swallowed up by big business, its turly hard / almost impossible for a band to come out and mess things up - the only "stir" you get out of a new rock band these days are the kinds that are created by their record company or distributor...


I think companies have the market so well pinned down these days its impossible to have anything dominant at all...


The record companies know a certain percentage of their audience love, rock, alternative, soft rock, adult contemporary, rap, r and b, funk, dance, electronic, etc...


They plan charts and figures, graphs and spreadsheets based on sales and they promote according to their sales needs. Like in any other retailing business, its all counted down to the nth degree, planned and then reflected upon for future planning.


They'll serve up the audience what they want in proportions equal to the demand.


This, I believe has pretty much accelerated a stagnating effect on most musical styles - artists need their labels, they need their work distributed, promoted, funded until it sells well...

I know I seem slightly jaded, cynical, but I just think this is the truth.
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Yeah, Society has been in a state of un - doing since the forties if you listen to the naysayers who say "nay" and wind up sounding like horses...


Will rock ever be on top again... I'd like to say yes, but I have a feeling it's going to be a no. That's not because rock is old, terrible or whatever, but I think popular music has been so swallowed up by big business, its turly hard / almost impossible for a band to come out and mess things up - the only "stir" you get out of a new rock band these days are the kinds that are created by their record company or distributor...


I think companies have the market so well pinned down these days its impossible to have anything dominant at all...


The record companies know a certain percentage of their audience love, rock, alternative, soft rock, adult contemporary, rap, r and b, funk, dance, electronic, etc...


They plan charts and figures, graphs and spreadsheets based on sales and they promote according to their sales needs. Like in any other retailing business, its all counted down to the nth degree, planned and then reflected upon for future planning.


They'll serve up the audience what they want in proportions equal to the demand.


This, I believe has pretty much accelerated a stagnating effect on most musical styles - artists need their labels, they need their work distributed, promoted, funded until it sells well...

I know I seem slightly jaded, cynical, but I just think this is the truth.
This, and perhaps being desensitized. There's so much music nowadays - from so many genres, and thanks to the internet, from so many people - your cousin's friend's son could make an album of original songs and be heard by the masses - that rock just doesn't matter anymore.

Nothing really matters anymore, in terms of music. It's all about the bands now. One person may love Animal Collective (psychedelic rock) as much as they enjoy Dizzee Rascal (hip-hop).

Saying you like Rock or any genre really just means you haven't decided, or are too lazy to name all your favourite bands.
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Honestly kids are having babies younger than ever all these things that relate back to the message that this Rap music sends out.. Im not saying the new age rock with your buckcherry is away from that. I just seems like a way more sexually explicit type world after the whole Rap blowup.. You do the math.
have you watched cable tv in the last decade? how about satellite tv?

wanna take a guess as to what else started invading middle american homes about 10 years ago? biggest porn provider on the planet and it's all 1s and 0s.

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Mr. Dave makes some good points, but let's remember that there are rock bands that are making it 'big'. I'm talking being able to make music that will make you world known, maybe not within the mainstream, but to enough people that you can be commercially viable. It's not so hard at the end of the day. Rock won't ever die out, simply because none of the styles that came before it have. There are still dance bands, there are still crooners out there playing and making a living out of it.
i'm totally in line with this. although from what i gather online the ratio of start up rock bands vs. successful rock bands is rather puny. to the point where i really think you have better odds of winning the lotto than being a world renowned rock star.
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