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Old 01-15-2009, 03:42 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Radiohead: No

The Kinks: Yes

Beach Boys: big YES!

Public Enemy: not too fond of their music
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Old 01-15-2009, 02:21 PM   #32 (permalink)
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That's a horrid f*cking ethos. For one, "innovation" and "influence" are subjective terms, and another: if we don't reserve our personal opinions, there's little point to voting in the first place.

That being said the use of pop hooks doesn't exactly quantify "innovation."
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:21 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Radiohead: Yes.

The Kinks: Yes.

Beach Boys: Yes.

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Old 01-15-2009, 05:12 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Since people started using "influence" to describe The Beach Boys.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:30 PM   #35 (permalink)
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If Beach Boys don't make it and Public Enemy do I quit. Seriously.
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:23 PM   #36 (permalink)
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But PE are so much better...
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:33 PM   #37 (permalink)
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That's a horrid f*cking ethos. For one, "innovation" and "influence" are subjective terms, and another: if we don't reserve our personal opinions, there's little point to voting in the first place.

That being said the use of pop hooks doesn't exactly quantify "innovation."

Of course innovative and influence are subjective terms but there is a strong case that they were both. I am of the opinion that pop hooks are harder to write than is given credit for and The Beach Boys wrote great ones in droves. They also had what at the time was a fairly unique sound. It may not sound like that today but it was at the time fresh and new and they had a massive influence. Bear in mind that in Australia their type of surf pop still gets a thrashing today. I never play them now and am not that fussed if they are included or not but if the Hall Of Fame is only based on personal likes only without any of those other considerations then I am not sure what the point is.
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:49 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I think the point is that there are already a million Hall of Fame or Greatest Ever lists using exactly that criteria.

This is meant to be more personal and unique to the site, to represent the tastes of the community. We shouldn't admit The Beach Boys simply because they have already attained classic status, that should influence our decision, but the most important factor is liking the music they made.
Fair enough. Then I could only vote for the Beach Boys as I have not heard enough music of the other three to form an opinion. I have never knowingly heard a Public Enemy song. My Kinks and Radiohead listening is one album only.
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Old 01-16-2009, 02:10 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Radiohead - Yes, they have been pumping out great albums at a good rate for a while now.

The Kinks - Yes

The Beach Boys - No, I adore Pet Sounds, but they don't have a great enough body of work to get a yes.

Public Enemy - N/A
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