I will not bother with the rest of your post but a "closet" fan? What kinda statement is that on a music site. I no more have to justify who I like to you as you do to me. If I like Lilly Allen over Pearl Jam, The Stone Temple Pilots, whom ever, so be it and throwing an inane word like that at someone trying to have an intelligent, at least I thought it was, conversation with you reeks of musical elitism.

FWIW I have heard the 1st Lilly Allen and did not mind it. I am neither mad for that nor am I a closet fan for that. I am though able to differentiate between various genres of the music in this wide world and get enjoyment from it all. That is why I read and try and contribute to a site like that of Music Banter.

And that is it for me with these my band versus your band style threads. Each to their own in the end but they are a waste of time and energy as they reek of The Osmonds v The Bay City Roller style teeny arguments and so therefore are utterly meaningless to me personally.

Bah you just don't listen to 'REAL' music 4ZZZ :p:

FWIW I find Pearl Jam and Lilly Allen equally as boring and grinding... But that shouldn't stop anyone else from enjoying their music.

I didnt say anything about my band versus your band (this is the name of the thread + Lilly Allen is hardly a 'band'), I basically used that particular artist as an example (one who deserves to be slagged off anyway) to make a point and you took offence.
Also I find it intriguing that although 'teeny style arguments' are "utterly meaningless to me personally" you still managed to write 3 paragraphs in response?? :confused:.

I find it intriguing that you keep talking about Lilly Allen and can quote her lyrics at will. Are you closet fan or something?

Your hilarious mate , no sadly I dont feel that desperate to be listening to Lilly Allen. You must be pretty new to the whole internet thing. You see theres this site called 'Google' right and you can just type anything and it just pops up...magic huh??. Theres more I typed 'Lilly Allen lyrics' and it came up with that pathetic Alfie songs' lyrics and what i didid was this hi tech job called 'Operation Copy + Paste' then I was able to copy all of the lyrics and put them on this here didy did site hmmmmm? You with me??
Also I find it intriguing that you have been copying the phrasing i have been using in previous posts but with no italics or bold to indicate sarcasm so you obviously cant think of anything else to say, am i right?

You are the ironic- sit on the fencer on this one. You may as well kill us both.

What kind of crackhead uses bolding or italics to indicate sarcasm?

The use of the term "real" is an in joke by Zarko aimed at me. It is not aimed at you or anyone else. You had to be there I guess.

Final comment. You have missed the entire point.

P.S. I loled Zarks. Brings back the memories of elsewhere.

Sometimes it isnt always that obvious & sarcasm is my middle name. And your the one on crack if your favourite band is the Spice Girls..

For sure. Pearl Jam ftw.

Okay..i know all about inside jokes..,and I dont know if I would have wanted to be there... blah..

So how does making something bold make it obvious that it's sarcasm? Usually it's context that makes sarcasm obvious. Like say for example a person who is moderator at a music forum that largely has an emphasis on non-mainstream music tells you their favorite band is the Spice Girls. Obviously you'd know they were being sarcastic.

Well yeah I dont really believe he would be on this forum is Spice Girls were his favourite band; hed still be living in the 90s so he wouldnt really have internet like most people do nowadays would he? Perhaps not so much bold but sometimes i use italics but I do also like it to be subtle so the stupid people dont get it and get confused.

Hmmm, well Im all for eating my boogs post-blow. or was...i steer away from things like this these days, but it has a very definitive taste. I still get that chemically taste every once in a while, like last night when I had my draw string from my hoodie in my mouth, and I definently wanted to bust some down right then off my desk.

...I was going to post something constructive, but I can see this thread is starting to spoil...

::backs away quietly::

Pearl Jam by far.
Eddie has better vocals then Scott.
Pearl Jam has better lyrics. and Pearl Jam had a bigger influence on people.

Umm. At this point I wonder if it's thanks to both bands that **** rock bands like Creed, Nickel Back, Default, Theory of a Dead Man exist. It's not hard to see the similarities..
and in thinking this it makes me mad that they did exist. However Pearl Jams TEN was at a time a very good rock record and I guess still is. STP.. meh and the fact that Scott is now singing for GN'R renamed is again.. just another piss off! haha.

I love STP but in my opinion Pearl Jam is the better quality band and they put on a better show.

Hmm, I should have though longer before answering the rock concert thread because I totally forgot to mention Pearl Jam. They incredible live, absolutely incredible.

Pearl Jam haven't but out anything worth while since Vitalogy, as for STP I don't know too much about them, therefore I can't rate them.

Does anyone know what Eddie Vedder is doing with his life these days? Think Pearl Jam will actually attempt to put anything new out in the future?

As opposed to STP who still put out relevant music to this very day.

I voted for Stone Temple Pilots, the main reason - their drummer, Eric Kretz, I love the way he plays (I'm not saying he's better then David Krusen or other PJ drummers) I also like the drummer Matt Cameron (my favorite Seatle Grunge band was Soundgarden - to quote Eddie Veder "can't find a better band")

I love Ten by Pearl Jam, but not into them as one of my favorite bands but still I am amazed by their talent. I saw a something on VH1classics (Ten revisited) and Jeff Ament was dressed like Richard Simmons with combat boots and a rastafarian hat, I just thouhgt it was strange he wasn't wearing flannel - I thought it was a prerequisite for a Seatle band.

The band broke up a few years ago and Scott Weiland formed a super group, Velvet Revolver, with Slash, etc. They got together again and are putting an album together to be released next year.

pearl jam may have spawned fully formed from the flowing neck wound in the dying dinosaur of classic rock but at least they never presented themselves as anything but that, they never had to try, they just were.

STP on the other hand tried, a lot. 'core' was alright... if you found 'badmotorfinger' to be too aggressive. 'purple' was good too if you needed a change from 'in utero'. 'tiny music...' was the first disc they did that sounded like its own thing and it was good. 'no. 4' went back to 'core' only this time around it was for anyone who still wanted to listen to 'superunknown' 5 years later. 'shangri la-di-da' is an appropriately horrible name for a horrible album.

hell i even own a copy of 'talk show' :shycouch:

either way PJ wins for me by a ridiculous margin.

I've never been a bit STP fan. I've never really found them to be all that exciting.

Pearl Jam is a really solid band though. I've got some of their stuff and I enjoy it. I'm not overly crazy about them though.

Not that I really care. Voted for STP just cause I still say pearl jam ripped off yellow ledbetter. Dont dislike either band but not big fan of them either. ehhh

I still don't like the way Eddie Vedder sings and Pearl Jam are at best mediocre. STP has mediocre albums as a whole but when they hit their stride, they make great material. Behold.

STP by all means, the Stone Temple Pilots had changed their style and sound by the time they released singles like Sour Girl, when compared to their debut album Core.
I like Pearl Jam also, but not as well as I do STP. Scott Weiland is a more versatile and talented artist than Vedder, in my opinion.

Not that I'm a huge listener of either, but my Dad would listen to a good amount of both bands while I was growing up. Always preferred Pearl Jam. When I was really young I remember hearing Jeremy and loving it. And I remember a few of us listening to evenflow and trying to figure out what he was saiyng lol.

Drawing pictures.. of mountains TOOOPS.. wiiiiith him on top.

My old step brother was a STP fan but i never really liked them all that much.

Scott Weiland actually can be a damn good songwriter when he wants to be, 12 Bar Blues is proof of that. Probably his most inventive lyrics and music he's ever written are on on that album, shame it gets such little praise. It also sounds like it's the most emotionally involved he's ever been with a project.

Yeah, I remember never understanding why everyone was saying that "Plush" sounded like a Pearl Jam-rip. I think it's more in the music though, Scott sounds more as if he's trying to ape Jim Morrision.

Some sources do actually suggest that Scott Weiland is influenced by Jim Morrison and David Bowie.

stp all the way

Yep, big fan of Bowie and probably the main influence for his second solo album (which was terrible by way). As for Morrison... well, you be the judge:

A Jimmy Morrision nut if there ever was one.

When STP hits it right, I much prefer them to most Pearl Jam material, personally. Although, it's quite obvious that Pearl Jam deserves far more respect for their achievements throughout their career.

The more important band? Pearl Jam.

The band I prefer today? Stone Temple Pilots.

Then again, even Pearl Jam's importance is overstated by fans and much of the music press, IMO.

I own several of their albums but don't worship at the altar of Eddie. They're a good 90s alt rock band -- nothing more, nothing less -- and I can rattle off two dozen bands from the same time period I'd rather listen to.

show me one pearl jam songs that's better than this

Stone Temple Pilots- And So I Know - YouTube

Quite a lot of their songs really, but that is still a good STP song.

Good god that was gross. It sounds like when King Crimson tried recording ballads in the early 80s, except somehow even cheesier.

Sure this is a different style but not a single tune I ever heard come from the STP camp or any of its offshoots even comes close to capturing the raw emotion and energy as this simple straight ahead rocker.



Ultimately I think it comes down to personal preference, I like listening to rock music to get hyped up, I like feeling the rush of blood through my body as a result of the rawness and passion within the recorded performance, the sensation of all the hairs on my arms standing on edge, the entirety of my being lighting up and paying attention. That's just not something I get from a group like STP. But holy crap is it ever hard for me to not bounce off the walls when I hear something like State of Love and Trust.

Not a huge Pearl Jam fan, and while STP are rip offs, they still entertain me. So, STP.

Great pick for a video Dave. This was my favorite song off the Singles Soundtrack back in the day. STP comes across like a parody act to me, and i find Scott Weiland to be a semi poser. I also gotta hand it to PJ for some of their ballad type songs also, my fave probably being I AM MINE. I think there is something so touching and encompassing about the lyrics. They talk to me in a way that STP could never do.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...wQSQbg&cad=rja

I don't know how anyone could pick stp. As someone previously said, they were a rip-off. Just a mimicking band. I used to love their stuff but then I started seeing how fake they were.

Well they did mimic Pearl Jam, the Beatles and the Doors very well. Thats what most good artists do, they take ideas from various sources and make them their own, STP were an example of doing it very well, Bush were an example of doing it very badly.