Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 1190273)

Good god that was gross. It sounds like when King Crimson tried recording ballads in the early 80s, except somehow even cheesier.

Sure this is a different style but not a single tune I ever heard come from the STP camp or any of its offshoots even comes close to capturing the raw emotion and energy as this simple straight ahead rocker.



Ultimately I think it comes down to personal preference, I like listening to rock music to get hyped up, I like feeling the rush of blood through my body as a result of the rawness and passion within the recorded performance, the sensation of all the hairs on my arms standing on edge, the entirety of my being lighting up and paying attention. That's just not something I get from a group like STP. But holy crap is it ever hard for me to not bounce off the walls when I hear something like State of Love and Trust.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 1190273)

Good god that was gross. It sounds like when King Crimson tried recording ballads in the early 80s, except somehow even cheesier.

Sure this is a different style but not a single tune I ever heard come from the STP camp or any of its offshoots even comes close to capturing the raw emotion and energy as this simple straight ahead rocker.



Ultimately I think it comes down to personal preference, I like listening to rock music to get hyped up, I like feeling the rush of blood through my body as a result of the rawness and passion within the recorded performance, the sensation of all the hairs on my arms standing on edge, the entirety of my being lighting up and paying attention. That's just not something I get from a group like STP. But holy crap is it ever hard for me to not bounce off the walls when I hear something like State of Love and Trust.

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1190468)

I'm very surprised people here like STP. They were the least original, most fake band of that early 90s grunge/alternative scene. Their sound was derived from bands like pearl jam and AIC. I can even think of one of their more recent songs that sound exactly like this nirvana song, I believe it's "stay away" that I'm thinking of. I'll have to figure it out and post it.

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1190468)

I'm very surprised people here like STP. They were the least original, most fake band of that early 90s grunge/alternative scene. Their sound was derived from bands like pearl jam and AIC. I can even think of one of their more recent songs that sound exactly like this nirvana song, I believe it's "stay away" that I'm thinking of. I'll have to figure it out and post it.

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1190334)

Great pick for a video Dave. This was my favorite song off the Singles Soundtrack back in the day. STP comes across like a parody act to me, and i find Scott Weiland to be a semi poser. I also gotta hand it to PJ for some of their ballad type songs also, my fave probably being I AM MINE. I think there is something so touching and encompassing about the lyrics. They talk to me in a way that STP could never do.

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1190566)

I've never heard a bush song that instantly made me think "they got that from AIC" or "that's a nirvana rip off". I have thought those things while listening to stp.

Originally Posted by NEWGUY562 (Post 1190432)

it's actually a jazz song by stp :) but the song you showed is decent at best. i heard pearl jam songs that were better then the one you just showcased.

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 1190582)

Nice, for whatever reasons I kind of moved away from PJ after their Live on Two Legs album. It still strikes me as weird to see Matt Cameron drumming for them. From the last 4 albums which would you say rocks hardest and balladeers the least?



Glycerine.



Yeah I remember buying Tiny Music back in the day, still have it. I thought that song was shmaltzy as hell back then too.

Really though, how do you define 'better'? A greater technical requirement? Atypical arrangements that eschew pop chart conventions but are safely within the lines of the genre it mimics? I like to think I was clear in saying that I prefer more visceral music, seems to me State of Love and Trust pretty well nails it.

Then you offer Faithful, but when it comes to the Yield album it's ALL about Do The Evolution for me - again I prefer visceral energy. Hell, they almost breakdown into the climax of Jeremy 2 minutes into Faithful, listen to Vedder's vocalizations, they're not quite as loud but it's the same sounds. While you might prefer it, I still think it sounds kind of cheesy.

Here's the ultimate thing though, when STP try to do other styles it sounds like they're trying as opposed to doing. It comes across as insincere and hollow. One of my personal favourite albums is Stan Getz and Luiz Bonfa - The Jazz Samba Encore! - that Samba Nova song doesn't live up, it sounds like a rock band trying to do a samba and, to me, it's cheesy - as hell.

That's not meant to diminish your enjoyment or preference of their music. But if you're going to keep posting about how much 'better' they are and how your choices for either group are 'better' examples of their music than mine or other individuals... then please learn to quantify your opinion with something more than just, 'I like it better' or 'here's a better example'.

Originally Posted by warrior of metal (Post 1190672)

Their both awful. Not crunchy enough for me.

Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1190690)

What a shocking opinion from someone named warrior of metal. :laughing:

Originally Posted by warrior of metal (Post 1190672)

Their both awful. Not crunchy enough for me.

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1190692)

....and with a name like that, he doesn't even like power metal:o:

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1190775)

Kind of like how the Eagles of Death Metal are not very Death Metally.

Originally Posted by All_Tomorrows_Parties (Post 642024)

Pearl Jam definitely has more solid albums, but STP was a very good singles band. And the comparison between the two bands really ends after Core. I honestly could never mistake anything STP did after that for Pearl Jam.

Originally Posted by wisdom (Post 1191356)

Exactly. Singles band. And singles are what matter to me. Also, I relate more to Weiland's lyrics than Vedder's.