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View Poll Results: Which has the most ridiculous subgenres?
Metal 30 73.17%
Electronica 4 9.76%
Other 1 2.44%
Don't have a cow man 2 4.88%
Cool story bro 4 9.76%
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
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There's so too many redundant subgenres already. I gave up on keeping track of musical category creep a long time ago. In the future every band will have it's own unique subgenre. Do I really need to know what "Symphonic Black Metal" is to be informed about music? According to genre obsessed folks at AMG:

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Symphonic Black Metal is the most common term for a European-centered style that emerged in the mid- to late '90s. It isn't literally symphonic, of course; that simply refers to the thick-sounding instrumentation and sweeping, dramatic soundscapes. Nor is its connection to black metal always readily audible; although nearly all of its bands started out playing standard-issue black metal, symphonic black metal often bears little surface resemblance to its immediate forebear. The starting point for symphonic black metal was the early-'90s sound of Norwegian black metal, specifically the wing of bands that employed sorrowful, melodic keyboard lines as a counterpoint to their furious assaults. Black metal groups looking to push past the inherent limitations of the form began de-emphasizing the guitar and adding elements of progressive rock (primarily psychedelic space-rock bands like Pink Floyd) and goth metal, with its emphasis on chilling, eerie texture. The resulting sound is usually lush, and much more inviting and accessible than straightforward black metal. After outfits like Tiamat and Samael pioneered the form, a new wave of bands led by the Gathering also began incorporating ethereal female singers, sometimes as the sole vocal focus. The symphonic black metal movement remains somewhat limited, partly because of its epic ambitions and partly because it isn't traditionally metallic, but its fascinating synthesis of influences made it an instantly identifiable alternative in underground metal at the turn of the millennium.
The guy at AMG who created this category needs to get a grip because his fevered imagination is careening out of control! According to AMG's glossary of musical genres, all metal music is a subgenre of Hard Rock, and Hard Rock is a subgenre of Rock which is the primary genre. Are you confused?...It gets worse.

Hard Rock has largest amonunt of category creep of all the genres with 32 different subgenres:

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Blues-Rock; Christian Metal; Hard Rock; Southern Rock; Death Metal; Glam Rock; Grindcore; Heavy Metal; Speed Metal; Hair Metal; Arena Rock; Alternative Metal; British MetaL; lBoogie Rock; Industrial Metal; Rap Metal; Guitar Virtuoso; Progressive Metal; Neo-Classical Metal; Album Rock; Aussie Rock; Pop-Metal; Rap-Rock; New Wave of British Heavy Metal; Detroit Rock; Glitter; Punk Metal; Stoner Metal; Scandinavian Metal; Goth Metal ; Doom Metal; Symphonic Black Metal; Sludge Metal; Power Metal
Going into that level of subgenre detail defeats the purpose of creating descrete categories of music because nobody will agree on exactly which of the several overlapping sub-genres the artist really belongs to.

There's only 11 basic genres of music and the hundreds of subgenres and sub-sub genres are more information than anyone needs. I'm musical pluralist who opposes any and all category creep in music because it's an elitist trend and it kills joy of music.

Category creep transforms recorded music into just another capitalist product with an appropriate marketing strategy designed to appeal to a certain "hip" demographic of people who want to follow the most fashionable music trends. Trust me on this...Those opinion makers of "the hip demographic" are painfully unaware of hipness because all of the great indie labels like Sun Records, Stax, Rough Trade, Chess, Rounder or Slash don't have the big advertising budgets to market their music to the self-appointed hipsters who know what Emo or Twee music is. I really don't know what Emo or Twee music is and I really don't want to know what Emo or Twee music is. I don't need to have a knowledge of Emo or Twee to appreciate music. For all I know, I could have several Emo or Twee selections in my music collection.

Category creep makes music critics feel important and assists megamusic corporations to market music by demographic groups but there are 11 basic genres of music and all the other hundreds of subgenres are categorical overkill that are subjective creations of the musical establishment.
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:06 AM   #22 (permalink)
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actually, i think all those blues genres are ridiculous and all the metal ones aren't. prove me wrong.
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:38 AM   #23 (permalink)
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There's so too many redundant subgenres already. I gave up on keeping track of musical category creep a long time ago. In the future every band will have it's own unique subgenre. Do I really need to know what "Symphonic Black Metal" is to be informed about music?
maybe you don't, but i do. it is not redundant at all. as i don't like a large part of black metal, i would literally never check out a symphonic black metal band, whereas i would check out a band described as atmospheric black metal. no doubt you find that "redundant", but really why is there any reason for you to care at all if you don't listen to it enough to see the difference?

whoever wrote for that website you are referencing does not have a very in-depth understanding of what they are writing about. regardless, your opinion is unjustified and unwarranted. do you really think people use the terms you deem ridiculous for marketing? when was the last time you saw a "symphonic black metal" section in wherever you purchase music? - assuming you even do. i have seen godspeed you! black emperor in the "rock/pop" section of an HMV. yeah, sounds like a very "elite" "marketing ploy".

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I'm musical pluralist who opposes any and all category creep in music because it's an elitist trend and it kills joy of music.
actually, you're an idiot with what i expect to be a very limited taste in music. no one should have any problem with specific sub-genres. it helps one understand exactly what is being presented - if they are willing to actually listen to and learn about it. if they aren't they what is the problem? i'm baffled that this is even an issue. "more information that anyone needs" - if you have brain damage, maybe. then again, you're right, maybe you should save as much of your brain's space as possible. it'd be a shame if you forgot how to breathe.

"I really don't know what Emo or Twee music is and I really don't want to know what Emo or Twee music is." then shut the fuck up. no one is going to stop using terms that help them understand music because you can't manage to comprehend "complex" categories.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:57 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Let's try to refrain from name-calling folks.
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:01 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Just because people use terms to describe something doesn't make it a genre.
I mean 'pre war blues'. Thats not a genre thats a fucking time period.
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You basically summed it up right here. I mean, once you've listened to an album and know the songs and know you enjoy it, do you really give a fuck what genre it is? Probably not.
THIS.

I mean I am aware understanding the genre helps your perspective about music but in all honesty, when see people tearing each others heads off because one thinks HIM is love metal and the other thinks it's just alternative is very, very sad.

Good music is simply good music. Why worry yourself over such technicalities?
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Good music is simply good music. Why worry yourself over such technicalities?
gee i don't know how i ever saw it differently with that logic
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THIS.

I mean I am aware understanding the genre helps your perspective about music but in all honesty, when see people tearing each others heads off because one thinks HIM is love metal and the other thinks it's just alternative is very, very sad.

Good music is simply good music. Why worry yourself over such technicalities?


How the **** are we sposed to organise **** if we had that as a basis for judgement
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:22 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm going to have to argue that it's electronica. I mean what the **** is this?
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:55 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I'm going to have to argue that it's electronica. I mean what the **** is this?
Haha I think you've made a good point kayleigh. That is insane! Wonky techno? Ghettotech?
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