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View Poll Results: Does John Peel deserve to make the Hall of Fame?
Yes 11 91.67%
No 1 8.33%
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Old 08-12-2008, 04:27 PM   #301 (permalink)
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i voted no after already hearing cole to the edge and yes then downloading the yes album and fragile...they have a few good songs but they not good enough to cover up all the shit they put out
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What are you talking about? Of course they do.

I know I'm a fanboy and thus I like a lot of their work no casual listener would be caught dead listening to, but you're telling me you don't want to vote for them because they didn't have enough great material, but you want JEFF BUCKLEY to get in?

He made ONE finished album for gods sake, and I don't see what was do damn innovative about it, compared to say an album like Close to the Edge in 1972.

But like Elliott Smith I guess being dead gives you a free pass. Defining a new form of music obviously ain't that important, but lets just go ahead and induct every run of the mill folkie/crooner that people only care about because they're dead.
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The "unfinished" album is two discs and ninety-one minutes long. And for having such a small discography, his impact upon rock music is unprecedented. If Joy Division deserved to get in with their two extremely overrated albums, Jeff Buckley sure as **** does.

And Yes expressed a huge divergence from progressive rock. I think you explained it best: that their early and later albums sucked. Why? Because they elected to start manufacturing trepid pop music and marketed it to sell to the masses. Their clumsy relationships with each other resulted in poorly produced albums for the last two decades.
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And Yes expressed a huge divergence from progressive rock. I think you explained it best: that their early and later albums sucked.
When then lets say **** you to Black Sabbath for all the **** they did with Dio then.

And I never said anything about their early albums, Yes was an average but decent enough debut, and Time and a Word is actually pretty damn good.

And not all their later albums are bad either. Their last two albums were good, they mark a return to their prog roots and the traditional lineup. Hell Magnification was pretty much the best thing they've done since Going for the One. They only have 5 truly mediocre/bad albums IMO, hardly any more than Pink Floyd, and hell, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP and Moody Blues have all put out more sh*t than Yes ever did, the amount of crap Yes have put out is actually relatively small for a 70s prog band.

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They were only pop briefly, it started with Drama, which was a very good album, then even furthur with 90125, which was still good. They only have a few albums I'd call horrible, Big Generator, Union and Open Your Eyes, that was their bad pop/arena rock phase. Tormato and Talk are pretty mediocre but had a few redeeming qualities.

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They still have more good albums than bad ones.
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They still have more good albums than bad ones.
not really...


after listening to some more of their stuff for me its kinds like this:

good:
the yes album
relayer
90125
open our eyes
magnification

ok:
fragile
tormato
union
yes


bad:
close to the edge
yessongs
tales form the topagraphic ocean
time and a word
yesterdays
yeshows
big generator
keys to ascension
ladder

theres a few i havent heard yet...but like i said before...the good stuff isnt good enough to cover up the bad stuff
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A moment ago you said you only heard a few albums from them and just downloaded the albums I put up, yet you already rated most of their albums? You couldn't have possibly got that many more albums and formed an opinion of them that fast.

I hope this is some kind of joke, because anyone who thinks CTTE is one of their worst albums and Open Your Eyes is one of their best is clearly out of whack.
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You said you only heard a few stuff from them and just downloaded the albums I put up, yet you're already rating ALL of their albums? Now I'm confused.
well i didnt listen to all the songs...but deffinatley enough to make an opinion thanks youtube and lastfm and actually while i was digging through my itunes library i found a few albums(some of the more impressive ones) and looking back i think i gave the wrong opinion on fragile...i really do like it...maybe i just dont like because when i listened to them i started out thinking i wasnt going to like them...ill re-evaluate my post after i listen to a little bit more...but i dont think that it will change my opinion
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well i didnt listen to all the songs...but deffinatley enough to make an opinion thanks youtube and lastfm and actually while i was digging through my itunes library i found a few albums(some of the more impressive ones) and looking back i think i gave the wrong opinion on fragile...i really do like it...maybe i just dont like because when i listened to them i started out thinking i wasnt going to like them...ill re-evaluate my post after i listen to a little bit more...but i dont think that it will change my opinion
It's impossible to get a feel for a single album in one days time let alone nearly an entire discography spanning three decades. This band like a lot of progressive and really almost all bands are mostly an acquired taste.
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well i didnt listen to all the songs
Then don't tell me those albums are bad if you haven't even listened to them. Hows that for logic?

It seems that you just youtubed close to the edge, heard the weird little guitar intro at the beginning, skipped through everything else and decided that was enough to call the whole damn album bad. What a musicgoer you are.

It's not the kinda music you can just freaking sample little tid bits of and already have a solid opinion about it in no time flat, it's music thats meant to be observed and paid attention too, until then I don't consider your opinion to be an informed one. Writing off a whole discography that spans 5 decades by sampling is just insulting. I don't think your vote should even count.
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Then don't tell me those albums are bad if you haven't even listened to them. Hows that for logic?

It seems that you just youtubed close to the edge, heard the weird little guitar intro at the beginning, skipped through everything else and decided that was enough to call the whole damn album bad. What a musicgoer you are.

I don't think your vote should even count.
This is in part why I was originally in favor of a minimum post number for the final vote.
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Do we have a strict set of rules for the final vote yet?
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