Music Banter Hall Of Fame: Nominations Thread
 

Music Banter Hall Of Fame

Nominations Thread, PLEASE READ THIS FIRST!

An idea put forward by JayJamJah, the Hall of Fame will be an ongoing project that with time should honour the music artists that are loved by the collective members of MB.

How it works:

Each week an artist put forward by a member will be put up for a nomination in this thread with a poll. At the end of the week if the artist has received over 50% positive votes then they will be added onto a list at the end of this post and later be up for induction.


Artists who are nominated have to have a thread dedicated to them on these forums and have had their debut album released at least 10 years ago.

How to Nominate:

Any member with over 100 posts can nominate an artist which abide by the terms above.
To nominate an artist PM me saying what artist you want to nominate and add a case for why they should be added to the Hall of Fame. Then i'll post the case here and it will be decided on, if 2 members nominate the same artist i'll post both cases.
In the event of me receiving lots of nominations, please be patient for yours to be put up! (Well argued and thoughtful cases may be given priority ;))

How to Vote:

Once you've voted say who you voted for and why. Please try to avoid one word answers. Especially if you're voting negatively, as of course we want to see both sides of the story. This is aiming to create discussion after all!

After the first 6 nominations have been declared then the first induction thread will be made to decide who goes through.

Now get nominating! :thumb: The first nominee will be put up for voting shortly.

Already nominated

Led Zeppelin 20 to 7 (Eligible for renomination)
Joy Division 22 to 7 (Inducted)
Elliott Smith 16 to 13 (Eligible for renomination)
The Beatles 25 to 4 (Inducted)
King Crimson 23 to 5 (Inducted)
Wu-Tang Clan 19 to 19 (Eligible for renomination)
The Velvet Underground 28 to 4 (Inducted)
Radiohead 24 to 9 (Inducted)
The Kinks 29 to 4 (Inducted)
The Beach Boys 26 to 13 (Eligible for renominaton)
Public Enemy 24 to 16 (Inducted)
Frank Zappa 24 to 5 (Inducted)
The Clash 33 to 11 (Inducted)
Bob Dylan 33 to 3 (Inducted)
Pink Floyd 31 to 7 (Inducted)
Big Black 13 to 6 (Eligible for renominaton)
Tom Waits 25 to 4 (Inducted)
The Smiths 33 to 7 (Eligible for renominaton)
Chuck Berry 22 to 16 (Eligible for renominaton)
Capt. Beefheart 16 to 9 (Inducted)
Nick Cave 18 to 4 (Eligible for renomination)
Nirvana 23 to 12 (Eligible for renomination)
Blur 25 to 16 (Eligible for renomination)
Neil Young 25 to 4 (Eligible for renomination)
My Bloody Valentine 19 to 6 (Inducted)
John Zorn 12 to 2 (Inducted)
Bad Brains 23 to 11 (Inducted)
Sonic Youth 23 to 7 (Inducted)
Bob Marley and the Wailers 28 to 3 (Inducted)
Beastie Boys 19 to 6 (Inducted)
Buddy Holly 20 to 5 (Inducted)
The Notorious B.I.G. 15 to 9 (Eligible for renomination)
The Residents 11 to 4
Iron Maiden 24 to 10
Jimi Hendrix 40 to 0
Creedence Clearwater Revivial 18 to 4
Mission of Burma 7 to 6
Ludwig Van Beethoven 20 to 3
Red Hot Chili Peppers 17 to 10
Massive Attack 13 to 1
John Peel 11 to 1


Failed to be nominated
Yes 15 to 19
Porcupine Tree 10 to 13
At The Drive-In 8 to 22
Public Image Ltd 11 to 21
Neutral Milk Hotel 10 to 30
Echo and the Bunnymen 14 to 16
The Mars Volta 8 to 23
The Monks 14 to 15
Sigur Ros 12 to 14
Nickelback 14 to 35
Muse 13 to 23
Leftfield 11 to 22
Tool 34 to 35 (so close!)
The Dillinger Escape Plan 5 to 13
Bill Hicks 7 to 9
Belle And Sebastian 4 to 10
Guns N' Roses 13 to 17

Led Zeppelin
 

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“In the days of my youth I was told what it means to be a man”

That’s the first line of “Good Times Bad Times” the opening track on Led Zeppelin’s eponymous 1969 debut. It was in the days of my youth that I was first exposed to Zeppelin. They entered my world just as I hit adolescence and brought my musical taste to maturation. The music was so raw and heavy at the time and the guitar riffs seemed to be and turns out were unforgettable. Turn on any of the first five Zeppelin LP’s and there are at least two songs even the most novice of listeners can identify right away. The notes stick with you.

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Led Zeppelin was the biggest band in the world in the 1970’s. They sold out everywhere they went and delivered some of the most intense and electric shows that rock music ever has and ever will see. Their commitment to expanding the influences and range of Rock music was apparent from the start and helped usher in an era of exploration that has helped shape the musical landscape of today. They are members of 24 different recognized musical hall-of-fames world wide, lets add one more to the list.

It’s for all these reasons (and so many more) that I nominate Led Zeppelin for the Music Banter Hall of Fame.



Commercial Successes

Released Seven fantastic albums in seven years from 1969-1976. And two more following which enjoyed commercial success but are not as well remembered as those from the bands most prolific era.

All nine Platinum albums. IV has gone platinum 23 times. They rank among the top ten highest selling artists in Music History.

Ranked #1 Hard Rock Artist of All-Time By VH1
Ranked #4 Rock & Roll Artist of All-Time By VH1
Ranked #14 All-Time By Rolling Stone’s “Immortals”

Official Music Banter Zeppelin Thread

Here’s one of Urban’s very first posts, always a staunch critic of the band for their larger then life performances, even he shared some love for the Zep when asked about his favorite album by the band.

What’s wrong with Sex and Mythology. Those were my favorite to subjects at University.

Greatest Zeppelin Song MB Thread

It takes 15 songs before the same one gets mentioned twice. How’s that for a deep discography. Over 40 different Zeppelin songs are mentioned as personal favorites in all.

Ours is the folk music of the technological age.
-- Jimmy Page

Zeppelin is recognized mostly for their hard edge rock riffs and thunderous live performances. However they wrote several very good folk influenced songs including; Bron-Yr-Aur, That’s the Way, Thank You, Tangerine, Going to California and so many more.

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My vocal style I haven't tried to copy from anyone. It just developed until it became the girlish whine it is today.
-- Robert Plant

Plants voice was another instrument that complimented the entire sound of the band. He was not a great lyricist or vocalist, but a perfect fit, as perfect as there has ever been.

Please consider all of these factors as well as your personal feelings when deciding whether or not Led Zeppelin should be included amongst the final nominees for our inaugural Music Banter Hall of Fame class. Thanks in advance to everyone here who reads, votes and submits their own opinions.

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Well i had an idea that this would be the first choice, and it's a very difficult one for me.
First of all, i've never been a fan in particular of Led Zeppelin. Very early on a detested them yes, and later i've admired them and listened to them, but i've never actually felt the need to rave about them in the same way some people do. I think at first i pretty stupidly lumped it in with the whole 'hair-rock' thing, which i hated. The shreaky vocals, the solo's, the long-arse songs, i didn't do much for a fairly closed-minded indie fan like me. The 'No Stairway' bit in Wayne's World made me smug and happy.
Once i actually opened myself up to them though then i let some of the love in. Zep IV, though i still hate Stairway, is a damn solid album, consistent and always shifting in its intentions. It's the first album that really gets me though, mostly as to me it contains their 2 best songs, Dazed and Confused and Babe I'm Gonna Leave You (christ almighty they do rock my socks).
One thing i love about them is just how universal their appeal is. Put their songs on at a party and everyone will get into it and a load of them may know the words. School bands will imitate them to death and cover their songs. They announce one show in London and the world goes mad. I remember when a load of my mates hung a huge banner out of a school window with the Zep 4 emblems on it. Any band that can get this reaction out of people deserves heaps of respect off me, how many others bands out there can can you think of that are just THAT respected by everyone?
Fact of the matter is, i'm a stubborn arsehole and in the end even i have to say i like them. I may be a relatively casual listener to them, but if i want to let my hair down i could do a lot worse. It's a yes from me, i hope they make it.

I say no here's why

It's a yes from me.
One of the most consistent bands, with possible hits from every single album. It's very hard for me to choose their best song. I mean, i like almost all of their albums, song after song after song. Stairway will always be overrated, bcuz it's the number one song in Rock & Roll song in quite a few 'popular' lists(which people just tend to believe). Obviously, any song of such status would have been heard by every single person on earth and would automatically claim the overrated status.
The only thing i didn't like about them is stealing ideas and not giving credit.(That doesn't make them 'less creative/original' for me nor do i get put off by such things)
But I'm not sure how that was perceived back then.
Was it a normal thing to do in the 70s?

A solid "no" vote here.

Ooh, they imitated part of one song, how compelling.
Edit: Oh, not a big fan but yes.

I'm not a huge fan but you have to be deaf or just dumb not to vote yes for Zeppilen. You can say they have bad vocals and songwriting, overrated pioneering or whatever. But in the end they made some great hard rock and had one of the best guitarists, bassists, and drummers ever. Unless your hall of fame has 10 bands in it, LZ should definitely be in.

I am going to say no Im afraid. They bore the arse off me and I like maybe five/six tracks by them. On virtue of album sales and popularity they probably WILL go in but I never dug them way back then and my opinion has never changed.

****in' A.

I love Led Zeppelin. I could go on for hours about how they are my favorite hard rock act ever, but I don't want to bore the pants off everyone. Just know this: If you hated everything Led Zeppelin ever did and thought they were utter trash, it should still be difficult to vote no. Their influence on modern rock is incredible. Though it would be inconceivable to say that the world wouldn't have any hard rock without Led Zeppelin, it would certainly be much, MUCH lamer.

Yes. For the riffs.

One of the ways I like to describe them is "Considerably better then anyone else ever in their genre" To me bands like them The Beatles, Who, Floyd, Dylan etc. are automatics through the first round.

Are you as discouraged as me over all the "no" votes already? I get that people don't like them but I don't get how anyone would exclude them from nomination to the hall of fame, they are clearly a ton of Zeppelin fans here.

I suppose it's a difficult one, you have to balance between whether you think they deserve to be in there and your own personal opinions.

Also, I could do with people sending more nominations, would be very grateful!

I thought this was a poll to determine our favorite bands here? Influence should not be a factor; I don't think anyone who voted "no" (including me) would deny that Led Zep was an incredibly influential (and popular) band, but this isn't a "most influential artists" list. If it was, then Elvis Presley and Bob Dylan would be in the top three, and I don't think that's going to happen here (and it would be somewhat boring anyway; talking about music is best when you're talking about subjective topics).

When I get enough posts I will.

EDIT: Please Read the Title :)

It's the hall of fame, not favorite artists. Why would we have a yes or no for it then?

I think it's a formal rule. It's just there so i don't have a newbie come and make a nomination and then never come back. Thing is a can trust you to come back and back up your claim so yeah, feel free to nominate :)

Thanks :)

I'll 'reserve' to nominate Pink Floyd then (since the Beatles were taken).

Might have to fight Jackhammer for them, though i haven't had a PM so The Beatles are still on the table.

I thought that reserved it. I don't need to reserve Pink Floyd then.

"the Hall of Fame will be an ongoing project that with time should honour the music artists that are loved by the collective members of MB. "

I don't know, am I missing something here? Maybe I'm just put off by the fascistic comments that people who don't vote "yes" for Zeppelin are ignorant. If the only goal is to honor influential musicians, there really doesn't need to be a poll at all.

This is the MusicBanter Hall of Fame and inductions are meant to reflect the tastes of MB members.
Maybe if the people who vote no added a little effort as to why they voted no, then the comments might be less "fascistic".

I'm sorry, I figured 'Hall of Fame' as the hall of famous musicians. Not a list of favorites. Sort of like the baseball hall of fame.

As far as voting "no," I have to pull out two quotes from Elvis Costello, because they summarize my feelings perfectly:

"I hate people like Led Zeppelin, not because they're total charlatans and thieves, but because it actually offends me...the whole crotch-thrusting element."

"There are two kinds of rock and roll that are artistically bankrupt to me. One's the wimpy, "fuck me, I'm sensitive" Jackson Browne school of seduction, and the other is "Look at me, I've got a hairy chest and a big willy!" Led Zeppelin type."


Apart from any idealistic offenses, I can't say that I enjoy their music. There are bands with poor ideas and no real merit (ELO comes to mind), but I enjoy some of their songs. I haven't heard a single Zep song that I even remotely enjoy listening to. I don't care for screechy vocals and guitar solos. The fact that their music represents a school of rock that I personally detest isn't the reason why I don't like them, but it doesn't help much either. I think the world would be better off if Stairway To Heaven was never played again, but hey, that's just me.

I don't care how you vote and you owe me no explanations. Your opinion is valid because you take the time to express it.

Still I could not relate less to your interpretation of Zeppelin's music and would guess you've never given a full album a listen, not that it would matter, but you sound like you're describing a whole other band then the one I listen to.

John Bonham
Jimmy Page
John Paul Jones
Robert Plant

Four pretty talented musicians who together created a signature sound that stood apart from any other band back in the 70's when they were the most famous band in the world. Their body of work is amazing as well, how many other bands put out so many great albums/songs that people still talk about 30+ years later? Truly deserving of the MB Hall of Fame, good choice JJJ.:thumb:

Your bias is so freaking ridiculous. You want to disqualify one of the best rock bands of all time because they have a riff thats vageuly similar to a part from another song from a band that wasn't even that damn good? Screw that.

If this is to be a serious hall of fame it should be all about the bands that have actually contributed something. Zeppelin should be in without a doubt, and if they get snubbed for some godawful Indie band thats had like 2 albums that nobody bought I swear to god I'm leaving this site.

Seriously lets go by your logic here.





So much for The Beatles. They most diffinetely shouldn't be added, har har. See what I did there?

Today is the last day the poll is open, unless the votes change Zeppelin will advance and be voted on my the panel after we get enough Nominees.

Piss me Off...post another nominee if you have one, otherwise I'll get another one ready. Or let Jack do Floyd or Urban the Clash or something like that. Hell better yet you do one.

Next nomination is all set. Feel free to do another although i'll probably queue it so others get a go, i may do one as well.

How many spots do we have in this Hall of Fame, BTW?

Yes. Even though they aren't among my very favourite bands, they definitely deserve a place in the Hall simply because of the innovation and creativity expressed in their music. They broke many barriers and paved way for the future of heavy metal (even though that specific genre was just one of many that they ventured on).

Good Idea, Why don't you post the queue at the head of the thread, so you don't get repeats. Y'know include the results of previous polls i.e "Led Zeppelin Yes by a margin of 18-6" etc. Also I think if you could change the thread title to include the band up for nomination it would garner some more attention. Just some suggestions, thanks for spearheading the initiative I'm certainly MB history books will look back on you fondly.

PM it to me though. King Crimson are currently untaken by the way.

As many as people want/'till it gets old/whatever. It's a running thing really.

I dunno, i like the element of surprise! I'll be adding a list of previously nominated yeah, and i might change the title each week as well actually, good idea!

On second thought you're right, lets leave the element of surprise.

One more suggestion, any chance of cleaning up the thread. Deleting posts related to confusion on the nominating process.

I'll leave them for a bit just incase anyone confused does a read through, i'll have a clean-up when those confusions start to lessen...

I'm sorry, but anyone who doesn't put Led Zeppelin in the Hall of Fame doesn't know what their talking about! Behind the Beatles, they're probably the most influential band of all time whether you like em or not.

Well unless we get a tremendious flood in of elitist Indie kids before the end of the day, they are pretty much a shoe in now.

I've voted 'no' simply because on a personal level I just can't justify having them in my top 10, never having had the seemingly obligatory Zeppelin phase. The debut is definitive, some tracks here and there; but to me they just pioneered ****-rock and Spinal Tap cliché... apologies to the Devoted. I suppose somebody had to drag the blues through the ****ter at some point.

Are Sabbath a possibility? In terms of importance to contemporary styles their influence was just as (if not more) widespread. I realise they were cheesy but it's Sabbath...

The show must go on...

Nominated by 15Steps

Joy Division

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I think Joy Division would be a great band to nominate for the hall of fame, and there are many reasons why. My first reason being that the band has released two of the greatest albums of all times, and are basically pioneers of the post punk genre. Ian Curtis wrote some of the greatest lyrics in history and sung said lyrics with what could be the most recognizable voices in music history. Although short lived, Joy Division are known as one of the best bands of all time and have had a huge impact on modern music.

You know what to do...

Hell yes. Two albums that are held in reverence by virtually everyone who has heard them.

I like Joy Division, appreciate them quite a bit for what they and the Bunnymen did. But by no account are the two albums they made (neither of which I would consider spectacular) considered to have a lasting impact. I like Ian Curtis, I really do, but their influence on post-punk is not definitive enough to have them included in a Hall of Fame. And despite how many fanboys are on this site, I think too many people romanticize more about Curtis's suicide than JD's music. Please compare them to the Bunnymen and JAMC before you shout me down.

A definite "no" on my behalf. Sorry.