The Official "Music Was So Much Better in the Glorious Days of Yore" Thread

blastingas10 · 10-27-2011, 08:33 PM

I wasnt being literal. I was just saying how so much different music can be qualified as pop and to me its a rather useless term. "the thrill is gone" crossed over into the pop charts in 1969, so I guess that makes it pop.

TockTockTock · 10-27-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Im sure you all will insist that The Velvet Underground were Sooo much more innovative than The Beatles. I guess you choose to ignore songs like sunday morning, which is just as poppy as most Beatles songs.

They were more innovative, and I guess you choose to ignore the innovation of "Sunday Morning"... considering it's a dream pop song about twenty years before the genre would actually exist. I also guess you choose to ignore everything else The Velvet Underground released ranging anywhere from noise to early forms of alternative rock. You know... you could have made your point more effectively if you spoke about songs like "Femme Fatale" or 'Who Loves the Sun"... both being typical-sounding pop songs from that era.

Oh, and I have yet to see anyone claim that the Velvets were more innovative than the Beatles (until now), so I have no idea where you got this from.

Sorry for continuing the Beatles debate... I'm just not a fan of people making blatant assumptions... and getting their facts wrong. As antagonizing as that sounds, blastingas, I don't mean for it to be as such. I know it seems like everyone is ganging up on you, but it's just a discussion... I'm also a huge VU fanboy, so I had to say something.

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I would say this isn't pop (and it came out the same year as Revolver):

Don't forget Symphony for Improvisers, which was also released during the same year.

By the way... Cecil Taylor is an amazing jazz pianist, and I love Unit Structures as well as Jazz Advance and The World of Cecil Taylor. (Both he and Art Tatum rank among my favorite piano players of all time).

blastingas10 · 10-27-2011, 09:06 PM

OOOO its a dream pop song. Haha. Thats ridiculous. That is getting a little carried away with the music labeling. That song is more pop than a song that featured lyrics inspired by the Tibetan Book of The Dead, experimental recording techniques that had never been done and a Indian-inspired modal music structure.

And I have heard people say that The VU were more innovative than The Beatles.

**Janszoon** · 10-27-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I wasnt being literal. I was just saying how so much different music can be qualified as pop and to me its a rather useless term. "the thrill is gone" crossed over into the pop charts in 1969, so I guess that makes it pop.

As you're well aware, I've never claimed that the popularity of a song is what makes it pop music.

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

OOOO its a dream pop song. Haha. Thats ridiculous. That is getting a little carried away with the music labeling. That song is more pop than a song that featured lyrics inspired by the Tibetan Book of The Dead, experimental recording techniques that had never been done and a Indian-inspired modal music structure.

I thought you felt that "pop" was "a rather useless term"?

blastingas10 · 10-27-2011, 09:26 PM

I do. What's your point? Clearly everyone else thinks pop is a necessary term, so if I'm going to talk about this with anyone I'm going to have to use the term.

**Janszoon** · 10-27-2011, 09:32 PM

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I do. What's your point? Clearly everyone else thinks pop is a necessary term, so if I'm going to talk about this with anyone I'm going to have to use the term.

So, basically, your comment about the Velvet Underground was meaningless?

Howard the Duck · 10-27-2011, 09:33 PM

Suzi Quatro is the greatest

blastingas10 · 10-27-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

As you're well aware, I've never claimed that the popularity of a song is what makes it pop music.

I thought you felt that "pop" was "a rather useless term"?

"the thrill is gone" is no less pop than "tomorrow never knows". That Beatles song was actually a lot more experimental than "the thrill is gone". When someone says "the beatles were all pop and nothing but it", that means everything they did was pop. So if "tomorrow never knows" is a pop song, I guess "the thrill is gone" is pop too by yalls standards.

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So, basically, your comment about the Velvet Underground was meaningless?

Now you're definitely picking on me. As long as he thinks pop isn't useless, then that comment wasn't useless. I was merely speaking his language. This comment is pretty useless though. There's no point in explaining myself to someone that is just trying to pick on me.

**Janszoon** · 10-27-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

"the thrill is gone" is no less pop than "tomorrow never knows". That Beatles song was actually a lot more experimental than "the thrill is gone". When someone says "the beatles were all pop and nothing but it", that means everything they did was pop. So if "tomorrow never knows" is a pop song, I guess "the thrill is gone" is pop too by yalls standards.

I'm not sure why you're suddenly talking about "The Thrill is Gone", or even which version of it you're referring to. Did someone else make a comment about that song or something?

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Now you're definitely picking on me. As long as he thinks pop isn't useless, then that comment wasn't useless. I was merely speaking his language. This comment is pretty useless though. There's no point in explaining myself to someone that is just trying to pick on me.

TockTockTock · 10-27-2011, 09:48 PM

Dream pop is a sub-genre of alternative rock that started to take shape in the mid-80s... "Sunday Morning" was released in 1966. Apart from it being twenty years ahead of its time, it's also a very well-crafted and creative song. The subject matter deals with waking up in the morning and being stricken with a strong sense of paranoia. Not only does the sound contrast with the subject matter (the paranoia aspect of it), but it also correlates with it (it's very dream-like and lulling... much like waking up on a late Sunday morning). There weren't many rock songs that were that atmospheric in 1966... Is it pop? Yes. Is it not innovative? No...

10-27-2011, 08:33 PM	#411 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I wasnt being literal. I was just saying how so much different music can be qualified as pop and to me its a rather useless term. "the thrill is gone" crossed over into the pop charts in 1969, so I guess that makes it pop. Last edited by blastingas10; 10-27-2011 at 08:41 PM.

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blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	OOOO its a dream pop song. Haha. Thats ridiculous. That is getting a little carried away with the music labeling. That song is more pop than a song that featured lyrics inspired by the Tibetan Book of The Dead, experimental recording techniques that had never been done and a Indian-inspired modal music structure. And I have heard people say that The VU were more innovative than The Beatles. Last edited by blastingas10; 10-27-2011 at 09:13 PM.

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blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I do. What's your point? Clearly everyone else thinks pop is a necessary term, so if I'm going to talk about this with anyone I'm going to have to use the term.

10-27-2011, 09:48 PM	#420 (permalink)
TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	Dream pop is a sub-genre of alternative rock that started to take shape in the mid-80s... "Sunday Morning" was released in 1966. Apart from it being twenty years ahead of its time, it's also a very well-crafted and creative song. The subject matter deals with waking up in the morning and being stricken with a strong sense of paranoia. Not only does the sound contrast with the subject matter (the paranoia aspect of it), but it also correlates with it (it's very dream-like and lulling... much like waking up on a late Sunday morning). There weren't many rock songs that were that atmospheric in 1966... Is it pop? Yes. Is it not innovative? No...