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Old 07-27-2010, 10:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I tend to not like it much when bands base their entire lyrical approach on political statements, though RATM, The Clash and Crass are some exceptions to that rule.

I do love the message of that India Arie song for obvious reasons.

Anyway. Just for the lulz.



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Old 07-27-2010, 10:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks for posting the Rage Against the Machine and NWA songs, Raust. And thank you, Bob, for sharing the Consolidated song!

Freebase, I'd never heard of the punk/heavy metal group Propagandhi and this song and video! I didn't know there was such an activist group out there that was singing about almost everything I'm interested in.

I looked them up and learned that "both in their lyrics and hands-on activism, the band's members champion various anarchist causes and veganism, and have taken an active stance against human rights violations, sexism, racism, homophobia, imperialism, capitalism and religion."

And, to make it even better, "Propagandhi was well-known for lengthy political speeches and rants during live performances." Propagandhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Swoon!!!! Can you imagine a better fit for me?? I have come home!

Seriously, though, I've started listening through their many many songs to find others I like. Thanks for posting their video, Freebase.
I don't understand, why would you like a band simply because they share a similar philosophy on life as you?
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Yeah same here. I like music for music, I don't care if I agree with the politics if the music doesn't interest me. And vice versa I can love a song even if the lyrical themes are not something I agree with politically.

I'm not a vegetarian and preachy vegans annoy the sh*t out of me, but Jon Anderson is a vegetarian and vegan themes are brought up in Tales From Topographic Oceans but I still love that album.

There is music I love that has very religious themes even though I'm not religious. I listen to anarchist bands even though I'm not an anarchist, I listen to socialist bands even though I'm not a socialist, I like republican bands even though I'm not republican. And I can go on.

I definitely draw the line with artists whose lyrics promote stuff like fascism and racism though. But I've never found a band who does that and actually makes interesting music. All those nazi punk bands are crap.

With sexism I dunno, there is a little bit of it in a lot of music even in great music, I mean I rant all the time about how men treat women and sh*t and I contradict myself because I listen to c0ck rock and gangsta rap all the time.

Music comes first for me, I don't get people who reject or endorse a band entirely because they have a different point of view. A lot of punks seem to care way too much about the political message and little about the actual music.
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I tend to not like it much when bands base their entire lyrical approach on political statements, though RATM, The Clash and Crass are some exceptions to that rule.
I'd never heard Yes' "Don't Kill the Whale," boo boo! Love the waves. SATCHMO, thanks for sharing Bob Marley's song, "War." A great activist classic I haven't heard in a while.

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I don't understand, why would you like a band simply because they share a similar philosophy on life as you?
Oh, I didn't say I like a band simply because they share a similar life philosophy. However, if there were two bands who make music that I like, and one of the bands writes lyrics that I appreciate while the other has opinions that I despise, I'll like the former more.

For example, here is one of my favorite activist songs of all time, as well as one of my favorite songs in general: John Lennon's "Imagine." I like the music and I like the thoughts behind it, so they work synergistically to make the song one that I love.

Now if the "Imagine" lyrics were as shown below, I would still like the sound of the music...but I doubt I would care for the song as a whole:

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Imagine there's a heaven.
It's easy if you try.
A hell below us,
In which you're going to fry.

You may say I'm a dreamer
but He's the Chosen and The One.
I hope someday you'll join Him
Or else your life is done!
And now, the REAL "Imagine," which I feel is a beautiful and gentle activist song for peace...just in case a few people on MB have somehow managed to go through life without ever hearing it:

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If a chicken was smart enough to be able to speak English and run in a geometric pattern, then I think it should be smart enough to dial 911 (999) before getting the axe, and scream to the operator, "Something must be done! Something must be done!"
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:18 PM   #15 (permalink)
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i love that Yes song...have not heard it in years

i'm not really sure what kind os tunes you really enjoy VEGANGELICA...but i feel safe in assuming you are vegan

i think that i kind of forgoten activist band...that often gets dismissed as something else is Ministry....pretty much all of their albums (at least through Psalm 69) had at least one really good song about social issues....

Land Of Rape and Honey - Land of Rape and Honey (environmental/fascist control)
Mind Is a Terrible thing to taste - Breathe (environmental)
Psalm 69 - Hero (anti-war)
and my personal favorite The Isle Of Man
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another band that...at least politically would be right up your alley is Skinny Puppy...oGre wrote many songs that are very much anti-vivisection songs....and he also helped to release tons of industrial compilations in the 80's and earlt 90's where 100% of the proceeds went to stopping vivisection....their live shows were described as disturbing due to their strong stance on exposing the torture of animals their album VIVIsectVI is basically a testament of the satanic activities involved in vivisection....
Spoiler for Skinny Puppy - Testure:


Coil is another band not well known for their activism...but more the decadence....in 1985 they remade Tainted Love and completely changed the meaning of that song for me forever....slow haunting and absolutely despondent....concentrating on the horrible treatment of AIDS patients....the video they made (which has Marc Almond in it as a taunting lover) was actually on display at the Metro for years....and brought a good amount of money to the beginning of AIDS research
Spoiler for Coil - Tainted Love:


and hardcore music is littered with vegan/vegetarian songs....
Spoiler for Goriall Biscuits - Cats and Dogs:

i love that line "I'm not trying to press my will, I'm not the first to say THOU SHALL NOT KILL!

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i'm not really sure what kind os tunes you really enjoy VEGANGELICA...but i feel safe in assuming you are vegan

i think that i kind of forgoten activist band...that often gets dismissed as something else is Ministry....pretty much all of their albums (at least through Psalm 69) had at least one really good song about social issues....

another band that...at least politically would be right up your alley is Skinny Puppy...Coil is another band not well known for their activism...but more the decadence....in 1985 they remade Tainted Love and completely changed the meaning of that song for me forever....slow haunting and absolutely despondent....concentrating on the horrible treatment of AIDS patients

and hardcore music is littered with vegan/vegetarian songs....Gorilla Biscuits

i love that line "I'm not trying to press my will, I'm not the first to say THOU SHALL NOT KILL!
Yes, bob, your assumption is correct. I know with a username like VEGANGELICA it is hard to be certain about my eating habits and life philosophy, but your risky guess paid off. "Vegangelica" is actually a play on the derogatory term, "vegangelical."

Thanks very much for all the group and song suggestions and the youtube videos! I'll listen to them all and check out those bands. I like that line, too...nicely ironic. I've never heard a Gorilla Biscuit song before, so I'm very curious!!
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XTC's Living Through Another Cuba is fantastic. The studio version is here but you're better off hearing this live version with Andy Partridge's passionate spoken intro (and another anti-war song, Generals and Majors, tacked on the end).

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Living through another Cuba
It's 1961 again and we are piggy in the middle
While war is polishing his drum and peace plays second fiddle

Russia and America are at each other's throats but don't you cry
Get on your knees and pray, and while you're down there, kiss your arse goodbye

We're the bulldog on the fence while the others play their tennis overhead
It's hardly love all and somebody might wind up red or dead
Pour some oil on the water quick it doesn't really matter where from
He loves me, he loves me not, he's pulling fins from an atom bomb

This phenomenon happens every 20 years or so
If they're not careful your watch won't be the only thing with a radioactive glow
I'll stick my fingers in my ears and hope they make it up before too late
If we get through this lot alright they're due for replay, 1998


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XTC's Living Through Another Cuba is fantastic. The studio version is here but you're better off hearing this live version with Andy Partridge's passionate spoken intro (and another anti-war song, Generals and Majors, tacked on the end).
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I had never heard "Living through another Cuba" before! Thank you for posting the song, Seltzer. I especially like this line: "While war is polishing his drum and peace plays second fiddle."

I always enjoyed "Generals and Majors," which came next in the live performance video. "Generals and Majors" has a catchier tune and more popular sound than the "Cuba" song, I feel. I can actually remember "Generals and Majors" from closer to when it was released. My guess is the Cuba song never became very popular due to its more rambling sound, which may be the reason I never heard it until today. Or, maybe it's just because I am sadly deficient in music knowledge, which is probably the real reason!
Thanks, Seltzer!

Since we are on anti-war songs, one of my favorite anti-war songs is Nena's 99 Luft Balloons. I loved the original German version, because I learned it while in high school German class. The English version of the lyrics was meh. And now, today, I learned Nena has a new version of her German song that I'd never heard before. It includes some French!:
Spoiler for Nena -- 99 Luft Balloons" 2009 REMAKE!!!!!:

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There are a bundle more Oils songs I could think of with a bit more time, but this is one of the standouts that'd fit in with this thread. I'd be lying if I said I knew a lot about Australian history, but this lyric paints a fairly grim picture of it with a very plain, anti-colonialist statement. Gives me my first genuine opportunity to use the new spoiler tags too, which is cool I guess...


Spoiler for Dead Heart lyrics by Hirst/Garrett/Moginie:
We don't serve your country
don't serve your king
Know your custom don't speak your tongue
White man came took everyone

We don't serve your country
Don't serve your king
White man listen to the songs we sing
White man came took everything

We carry in our hearts the true country
And that cannot be stolen
We follow in the steps of our ancestry
And that cannot be broken

We don't serve your country
We don't serve your king
Know your custom don't speak your tongue
White man came took everyone

We don't need protection
don't need your hand
Keep your promise on where we stand
We will listen we'll understand

We carry in our hearts the true country
And that cannot be stolen
We follow in the steps of our ancestry
And that cannot be broken
We carry in our hearts the true country
And that cannot be stolen
We follow in the steps of our ancestry
And that cannot be broken

Mining companies, pastoral companies
Uranium companies
Collected companies
Got more right than people
Got more say than people

Forty thousand years can make a difference to the state of things
The dead heart lives here
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There are a bundle more Oils songs I could think of with a bit more time, but this is one of the standouts that'd fit in with this thread. I'd be lying if I said I knew a lot about Australian history, but this lyric paints a fairly grim picture of it with a very plain, anti-colonialist statement. Gives me my first genuine opportunity to use the new spoiler tags too, which is cool I guess...
I'd never heard any Midnight Oil song other than "Beds are Burning" before your post, Bulldog. I like the sound of "Dead Heart" as well as these lyrics:
"Mining companies, pastoral companies, Uranium companies, Collected companies, Got more right than people, Got more say than people. Forty thousand years can make a difference to the state of things."
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