Genres You Dislike/Conversion

TockTockTock · 10-12-2011, 06:25 PM

Thanks, Stu. I actually remember looking into that album at some point (I recognize its cover), but I never got around to actually listening to it. The whole 'Residents meets Funkadelic' comment convinced me to look into it.

Mondo Bungle: Try Kazumoto Endo's While You Were Out (1999). Also, if you want to develop a better mindset when approaching noise music, then I recommend you read up a bit on John Cage's philosophy on enjoying and listening to sounds.

RVCA: Marquee Moon IS post-punk (I have no clue in why people say it's proto-punk... it's from 1977). Post-punk doesn't have a particular sound... nor is it real/true genre. When you refer to an album as "post-punk," you are basically saying its taking a more progressive approach to punk rock.

Anyways... I strongly suggest you look into a band called The Cardiacs... Both Sing to God (1995) and A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window (1988) are excellent albums to start with.

RVCA · 10-12-2011, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Did you ever follow through on Echo & the Bunnymen?

Woops! Slipped my mind. Will get on that

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Pat

RVCA: Marquee Moon IS post-punk (I have no clue in why people say it's proto-punk... it's from 1977). Post-punk doesn't have a particular sound... nor is it real/true genre. When you refer to an album as "post-punk," you are basically saying its taking a more progressive approach to punk rock.

Anyways... I strongly suggest you look into a band called The Cardiacs... Both Sing to God (1995) and A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window (1988) are excellent albums to start with.

Alright, will do

Paedantic Basterd · 10-12-2011, 07:35 PM

Re: Jazzmatazz: Good album! Consistent, variable, very good. Can't say I loved it, but I would seriously consider purchasing this (especially for 16 cents used). It's not a full on victory, but it's still a better result than I expected, so thank you for that. It's pretty good.

jackhammer · 10-12-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I'll start out.

Hip Hop.

The problem: I find that the repetition of vocals and their focus on rhythm rather than melody doesn't hold my attention. Also, vulgarities in lyrics turn me off. I didn't even really care for My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. I thought it had moments, but that they couldn't be redeemed by what I considered negative qualities (f.ex. that piano based song where the guy at the end talks about ****ing for two or three minutes).

So far, I've found a few albums that I consider listenable, but wouldn't purchase for myself or listen to regularly.

Eternia & MoSS - At Last
Dalek - Absence
Buck 65 - 20 Odd Years
Beast - Beast
Why? - Alopecia

I like instrumental hip hop, and I love trip hop. The one album closest to hip hop in nature that I can say I love through and through is Gorillaz - Demon Days.

So, any hope for me?

Try:
Atmosphere - When Life Gives You Lemons
Marxman - 33 Revolutions Per Minute
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
P.O.S - Never Better

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Originally Posted by RVCA

I've yet to find anything in Post Punk that isn't yawn inducing.

Have tried:
Joy Division
New Order
The Chameleons
The Cure
Television
Wire
some others

Admittedly, I dig "Marquee Moon", but it hardly seems like post punk to me

Wire are superb. What have you heard by them? They are still making music today and make some of the most interesting and intelligent music out there. A band that can straddle everything from Pop to Avant Garde is OK by me.

The Cranes
Current 93
Flux Of Pink Indians
Kill Me Tomorrow
Stereolab

are all worth checking out.

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

Try Subtle's album, A New White (2004), Pedestrian.

Although, I won't deny that I suffer from the same problem that you do. I have yet to find a hip hop album that challenges me instrumentally, and there hasn't been any boundary-pushing material to come from the genre yet.

...or am I asking for too much?

(I like hip hop, by the way... I listen to it on a regular basis).

DJ Krush
Nujabes
Rise Robots Rise
Dessa
Techno Animal
Rubber Room

are worth checking out.

CanwllCorfe · 10-12-2011, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I'll start out.

Hip Hop.

The problem: I find that the repetition of vocals and their focus on rhythm rather than melody doesn't hold my attention. Also, vulgarities in lyrics turn me off. I didn't even really care for My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. I thought it had moments, but that they couldn't be redeemed by what I considered negative qualities (f.ex. that piano based song where the guy at the end talks about ****ing for two or three minutes).

So far, I've found a few albums that I consider listenable, but wouldn't purchase for myself or listen to regularly.

Eternia & MoSS - At Last
Dalek - Absence
Buck 65 - 20 Odd Years
Beast - Beast
Why? - Alopecia

I like instrumental hip hop, and I love trip hop. The one album closest to hip hop in nature that I can say I love through and through is Gorillaz - Demon Days.

So, any hope for me?

That sounds somewhat similar to how I feel. BUT I have found that I really enjoy Das Racist, The Jealous Guys' Love Mixtape, as well as Madvillainy. I also like some stuff from Ghostpoet and Dizzee Rascal (older stuff). I'm not exactly sure what it is about them that I enjoy, so I can't say what I'm really on the lookout for. I do know I hate club oriented Hip-Hop. Immensely.

TockTockTock · 10-12-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Try:
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
P.O.S - Never Better

Seconded... P.O.S. is a great place to start for those wanting to make the transition from rock to hip hop.

Quote:

DJ Krush
Nujabes
Rise Robots Rise
Dessa
Techno Animal
Rubber Room

I've already listened to Rise Robots Rise and Techno Animal, but I'll definitely look into the others. Thank you.

Howard the Duck · 10-12-2011, 09:35 PM

i have to really look deep

i suppose whatever genre Fela Kuti's Confusion/Gentleman falls into

Afro-psyche?

give me something that doesn't sound like a total mess

Paedantic Basterd · 10-12-2011, 10:33 PM

All noted, Jackhammer. Thank you.

Mrd00d · 10-13-2011, 01:29 AM

For Pedestrian:

Have you tried the rap-rock group Flobots? I think that might be some positive hip-hop you can get into. Their most recent record, Survival Story, is the one I recommend starting with.

For less rock oriented hip-hop, I'd say try Blackalicious (Gift of Gab)

Mondo Bungle:

I see a bit of our interests intersect, but I'm into a bit more hip-hop and less metal. I think you got it right in thinking you'd like Aesop Rock. If you want any song recommendations in particular, I have/know most of his singles/features that don't come with his discography that are stellar. I recommend you the Unreleased singles 'album' as well as, of course, Labor Days.

and if you do dig Aesop, it's a definite must to go for El-P and probably Dalek...

eraser.time206 · 10-13-2011, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I'll start out.

Hip Hop.

The problem: I find that the repetition of vocals and their focus on rhythm rather than melody doesn't hold my attention. Also, vulgarities in lyrics turn me off. I didn't even really care for My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. I thought it had moments, but that they couldn't be redeemed by what I considered negative qualities (f.ex. that piano based song where the guy at the end talks about ****ing for two or three minutes).

So far, I've found a few albums that I consider listenable, but wouldn't purchase for myself or listen to regularly.

Eternia & MoSS - At Last
Dalek - Absence
Buck 65 - 20 Odd Years
Beast - Beast
Why? - Alopecia

I like instrumental hip hop, and I love trip hop. The one album closest to hip hop in nature that I can say I love through and through is Gorillaz - Demon Days.

So, any hope for me?

Go on on YouTube and listen to "Tha Crossroads" by Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony. That is the perfect song for what you are looking for.

10-13-2011, 01:29 AM	#29 (permalink)
Mrd00d Stoned and Jammin' Out Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Northern California; Eugene, OR; mobile Posts: 1,602	For Pedestrian: Have you tried the rap-rock group Flobots? I think that might be some positive hip-hop you can get into. Their most recent record, Survival Story, is the one I recommend starting with. For less rock oriented hip-hop, I'd say try Blackalicious (Gift of Gab) Mondo Bungle: I see a bit of our interests intersect, but I'm into a bit more hip-hop and less metal. I think you got it right in thinking you'd like Aesop Rock. If you want any song recommendations in particular, I have/know most of his singles/features that don't come with his discography that are stellar. I recommend you the Unreleased singles 'album' as well as, of course, Labor Days. and if you do dig Aesop, it's a definite must to go for El-P and probably Dalek... __________________ Mrd00d's Last.fm

10-12-2011, 06:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	Thanks, Stu. I actually remember looking into that album at some point (I recognize its cover), but I never got around to actually listening to it. The whole 'Residents meets Funkadelic' comment convinced me to look into it. Mondo Bungle: Try Kazumoto Endo's While You Were Out (1999). Also, if you want to develop a better mindset when approaching noise music, then I recommend you read up a bit on John Cage's philosophy on enjoying and listening to sounds. RVCA: Marquee Moon IS post-punk (I have no clue in why people say it's proto-punk... it's from 1977). Post-punk doesn't have a particular sound... nor is it real/true genre. When you refer to an album as "post-punk," you are basically saying its taking a more progressive approach to punk rock. Anyways... I strongly suggest you look into a band called The Cardiacs... Both Sing to God (1995) and A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window (1988) are excellent albums to start with.

10-12-2011, 07:35 PM	#23 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	Re: Jazzmatazz: Good album! Consistent, variable, very good. Can't say I loved it, but I would seriously consider purchasing this (especially for 16 cents used). It's not a full on victory, but it's still a better result than I expected, so thank you for that. It's pretty good.

10-12-2011, 10:33 PM	#28 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	All noted, Jackhammer. Thank you.