Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

All you're saying is "I personally like Bob Dylan and Frank Zappa better than the Beatles, so I'm butthurt that they're not as famous". Which is frustrating because there's obviously going to be people less famous than the most famous band of all time.

Zappa and Dylan get plenty of recognition, it has nothing to do with the British invasion, get off it.

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eraser.time206

I listen to the Beatles far more than I do Bob Dylan or Frank Zappa. Dylan and Zappa are nowhere near my favorite artists.

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Unknown Soldier

We`ve been over this several times now......but its just not sinking in is it!!! Which in all honesty do you actually think the general public are going to dig more from the following three categories. 1) The Beatles and the Beach Boys or 2) Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart or 3) Bob Dylan and Country Joe Mcdonald and the Fish? I`ve purposely categorized these bands like so as they fit together a lot better, because as Sun Ra said Zappa and Dylan do not go together.

For me its plainly obvious that option (1) Features two bands that played popular music that people could easily relate to and enjoy. Option (2) Highly experimental artists and an acquired taste only. Option (3) Protest artists who most definitely appealed to a certain sector (hippy anti-war and music festival/Woodstock types) and were both extremely relevant in the 1960s.

None of this has anything to do with the British invasion bands at all, if the British invasion bands hadn`t come to the US, popular music would`ve still existed anyway, I mean the Beach Boys and Creedence Clearwater Revival sold stack loads of albums. Because as sure as the sun rises every day, the general public wouldn`t have dug Zappa etc as he was just too way out of it for them.

Just accept the fact, that Dylan and Zappa didn`t reach the same level of music sales as the Beatles, because they chose not to and stayed faithful to the music they believed in.

I doubt this will sink in and I guess you`ll come back with some other angle to prop up your argument.

eraser.time206

Look at the music people listen to nowadays and compare it to the music they listened to in the 60s. They sound nothing alike (in sound or lyrics). People listen to what is marketed. I'll use a better example. If the Velvet Underground was as marketed as the Beatles their debut album would have been considered the greatest album of all time. Marketing influences the way people think about music and what music they listen to.

Zappa wrote lyrics that were considered weird. So does Eminem. In fact Eminem writes lyrics harder on the ears than Zappa. Eminem is marketed much better than Zappa though.

Marketing=success. This generation proves it.

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Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Your point loses all weight in the light of the fact that Zappa pretty much marketed himself.

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What I'm saying is pretty obvious. Whoever is marketed the best will sell the most. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that.

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blastingas10

I can agree with it. But aren't some more marketable than others?

eraser.time206

Look at some of the popular artists today. Their music is almost unbearable. The average person will admit that most music nowadays does not satisfy them. Yet that same unbearable music is popular. Why? Marketing.

If you compare music from today and music from the 60s they sound nothing alike yet they both have/had popular artists. Marketing is the cause of this.

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Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

No offense, but you two have a knack for straying miles away from the topic.

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eraser.time206

Beatles=marketing genius=popular=overrated

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