Buckethead vs. Jimi Hendrix

eraser.time206 · 11-12-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

He wasn't. Being emotional and sensual are different. Most people get the former mixed up with the latter.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 11-13-2011, 12:47 AM

I don't understand how Buckethead is emotional. I find his work intentionally emotionless, and referential. I mean, he's composing around kids cartoons, and giant robot fights.

Not it hurts his music, he achieves what he's trying to very well. But, certainly, emotion is not what he's even gunning for.

Hendrix, on the other hand, was emotion. When I think sensual I think you're talking about Barry White or something with more of a 'bedtime' groove.

~~Farfisa~~ · 11-13-2011, 12:52 AM

Buckethead: obviously creative, humorous, and immensely talented, but the fact that his high point came when a bunch of teenagers went on, and on about how they could play "Jordan" on Guitar Hero is terribly sad. Also, I can't believe the levels of elitism coming from his fanbase...

Jimi Hendrix: Probably has one of the most prejudiced and annoying fanbases on the planet. Their "If it's not Hendrix, it's shit" mentality really makes me want to plant one right in the head sometimes. Enough of that though, Hendrix has an amazing fuzzy fuzz tone, and I can listen to and enjoy his less played stuff because I haven't heard it a thousand times. Seriously though, it's a shame I can't enjoy a song because it's been hammered into my head unwillingly.

Mrd00d · 11-13-2011, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I don't understand how Buckethead is emotional. I find his work intentionally emotionless, and referential. I mean, he's composing around kids cartoons, and giant robot fights.

Not it hurts his music, he achieves what he's trying to very well. But, certainly, emotion is not what he's even gunning for.

Hendrix, on the other hand, was emotion. When I think sensual I think you're talking about Barry White or something with more of a 'bedtime' groove.

I agree with your previous post on the subject very much, but I wanted to address this one. Buckethead does have a couple albums composed around goofy robot fights, a make believe Buckethead amusement park, kids cartoons, etc. etc. but he sure as hell does have albums worth of work (almost equal) of emotional blues guitar, ballads, serious work. Also, an equal amount of funky works that don't fit either of those categories. Just saying... he's never gunned for JUST one thing. He makes music of many genres and many attitudes. He's not a one or even two trick pony. That's one of his best and most overlooked qualities. One would have to delve into his work to understand that, just as one would have to delve into any artist to understand more than the stereotype of the artist and the hits everyone knows.

P.S. It's shocking with so much work that his last.fm page consistently has the same 10-20 tracks on top tracks every week, as if most of the fan base has only one or two albums or never got into more of his work than say Monsters and Robots, and Colma. I think that's a shame.

eraser.time206 · 11-13-2011, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I don't understand how Buckethead is emotional. I find his work intentionally emotionless, and referential. I mean, he's composing around kids cartoons, and giant robot fights.

Not it hurts his music, he achieves what he's trying to very well. But, certainly, emotion is not what he's even gunning for.

Hendrix, on the other hand, was emotion. When I think sensual I think you're talking about Barry White or something with more of a 'bedtime' groove.

When I say sensual I don't mean sexual. Jimi Hendrix played music that you could feel in your flesh. His movements, voice and creativity evoked sensual (there's not real word for this so I'll use this word) music-orgasms.

Emotional music is when the music can affect your life (Stairway to Heaven) and affects your mind in high forms.

We all have our own definitions but Buckethead does have the sensual and emotional touch in his music.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 11-13-2011, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eraser.time206

When I say sensual I don't mean sexual. Jimi Hendrix played music that you could feel in your flesh. His movements, voice and creativity evoked sensual (there's not real word for this so I'll use this word) music-orgasms.

Eraser.time, you have outdone yourself...

As for d00ds mention of Buckethead's emotional work. With a figure like Buckethead, are you sure it's emotional work, or referencing to emotional work? In my eyes, Buckethead is really striving to be eclectic. So, one could assume, the emotion is presented more as part of the character, than an attempt to relate an emotional personally to the listener.

Where as Hendrix used the guitar more as an extension of his feelings directly.

Albeit, I can't confirm either not thinking in either's heads. But, that's the impression I'm getting. Not that it's a statement of quality, just a difference in artistic presentation.

eraser.time206 · 11-13-2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Albeit, I can't confirm either not thinking in either's heads. But, that's the impression I'm getting. Not that it's a statement of quality, just a difference in artistic presentation.

Everyone expresses their emotions differently so even though we can judge who is more emotional in the end we can never really know. The way we judge can be based on how we connect to their music but then everyone connects to different music in different ways.

Guybrush · 11-13-2011, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I'm not saying he's a complete copycat. I'm saying, his style derives from taking things, and collaging them together. Which involves assembling pieces, and imitating them.

His compositional style comes entirely from collecting pieces together, and iconoclastically throwing them together. IE. each piece of every song he does is a chameleon act.

Which isn't a bad thing at all, I'm just saying.

Hendrix's process was significantly more organic, and more on adapting his sound under an envelope of specific goals rather than referencing to the vast library of music created before him.

Buckethead makes a very fine respectful nod to his past, but Hendrix moved things into the future.

I agree with this. Buckethead said himself in an interview that he studies the style of other guitarists until he can copy them, something he's undoubtedly done with Jimi Hendrix and several others.

He still does have his very unique sounding albums, but if you want to say which is the original and which is the copycat, then of course it's Hendrix and Buckethead in that order.

Love both by the way!

Mrd00d · 11-13-2011, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Eraser.time, you have outdone yourself...

As for d00ds mention of Buckethead's emotional work. With a figure like Buckethead, are you sure it's emotional work, or referencing to emotional work? In my eyes, Buckethead is really striving to be eclectic. So, one could assume, the emotion is presented more as part of the character, than an attempt to relate an emotional personally to the listener.

Where as Hendrix used the guitar more as an extension of his feelings directly.

Albeit, I can't confirm either not thinking in either's heads. But, that's the impression I'm getting. Not that it's a statement of quality, just a difference in artistic presentation.

It's difficult to answer your question because I'm not sure. I'd say you're probably right. But it's hard to tell if the man has something to channel in him or if he's just going that route for the sake of going that route. I reckon he's got genuine feeling and emotion in his playing and that it's not for show, but I'll yield because I'm not sure...

edit: ^ Buckethead

Jimi absolutely did.

blastingas10 · 11-13-2011, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Why wouldn't I be a Hendrix fan? During his time, he was considered a radical, and an experimenter. He'd intermix complex compositions with extremely theoretically irreverent solos. He was a ton notch producer, and a creative force that let nobody tell him what to do.

If anything, Hendrix is right up my alley. I'm for liberal musicians, and the man's technique was far from conservative. He even lived homeless for a large portion of his life to pursue his art. He even played with his teeth.

I just figured that you'd be one of those guys who thinks that he's overrated. But it's cool that you're not. Hendrix was great. Finally, something we can agree on.

I just saw Buckethead last month, I know, I already stated this. It was a great show, but the only thing I didn't like was that he was just shredding and riffing around, not putting much into it. Although it was entertaining, it wasn't very sincere or emotional. But there were a few times when he did get emotional and it was awesome. He can't match the creativity, originality or the emotion of Hendrix.

This is a little off topic, but who do you guys think is the best out of Vai, Buckethead and Satriani?

I say Buckethead.

11-13-2011, 12:52 AM	#43 (permalink)
~~Farfisa~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,773	Buckethead: obviously creative, humorous, and immensely talented, but the fact that his high point came when a bunch of teenagers went on, and on about how they could play "Jordan" on Guitar Hero is terribly sad. Also, I can't believe the levels of elitism coming from his fanbase... Jimi Hendrix: Probably has one of the most prejudiced and annoying fanbases on the planet. Their "If it's not Hendrix, it's shit" mentality really makes me want to plant one right in the head sometimes. Enough of that though, Hendrix has an amazing fuzzy fuzz tone, and I can listen to and enjoy his less played stuff because I haven't heard it a thousand times. Seriously though, it's a shame I can't enjoy a song because it's been hammered into my head unwillingly.