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Old 12-27-2011, 06:04 AM   #201 (permalink)
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I mean no disrespect but ...do you...are you one for wearing tin foil hats?
LMAO. No. I have a metal plate in my head.
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:26 AM   #202 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, but I'm just completely irritated by the implication posed that music may have metaphysical qualities.

I feel that demeans individuality and the pursuit of expression, and don't think that metaphysical mumbo-jumbo comes into play.

Metaphysics is just a lazy (if not somewhat pseudo-intellectual) way of saying you don't understand something.
And why wouldn't it have metaphysical properties? How could that demean the individuality of it? If anything it Individuates music.

The world is full of mumbo jumbo, it's what you do with it that counts, it all comes down to our individual perceptions, paradigms, Winston Churchill said;
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:37 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Mighty Salami;1137518]No, that one doesn't work either.
"This video is not available in your country"
I know the song though, so don't worry.



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And I think we are a little side tracked from discussing Letvin's book:
No mighty I am beyond being offended by anything. I was yanked on a few posts upward. I was making a little joke.

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Just to jog everyone's memory...
Yep. That memory is what got me started on this thread. Darwin's 'thoughts' turned conclusions. Assuming he is right, and he could be; music has certainly evolved over the thousands of years into much more than a means to attract a sexual partner. Especially a physically fit partner.

Unless of course, they took up dancing. Bands get the chicks. If Joe Schmo wants the chicks, he better know how to step up and dance man.

We will find out I believe.

"Everything dissolves into the root of its own nature".

So, maybe we will remember next time. And, hopefully 200,000 years from now, we won't be having this discussion

Unless it is 4.5 billion years. Memories fade after a while.

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Old 12-27-2011, 06:51 AM   #204 (permalink)
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And why wouldn't it have metaphysical properties? How could that demean the individuality of it? If anything it Individuates music.

The world is full of mumbo jumbo, it's what you do with it that counts, it all comes down to our individual perceptions, paradigms, Winston Churchill said;
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Excellent. I believe old Winston was spot on. I am fairly certain that is how it works.

I am going to look for more of his quotes. He evidently knew some things. Not bad for a politician. thanks sirius.

Hope you like the Stones.



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Old 12-27-2011, 08:28 AM   #205 (permalink)
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Excellent. I believe old Winston was spot on. I am fairly certain that is how it works.
While the imagination is worthy of note I don't think it's a governing body, perhaps that explains the language barrier here. Just be careful not to get guided by fancy too much or you might end up lost in the back of your own head, although depending on the perspective that might be a fantastic proposition.
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While the imagination is worthy of note I don't think it's a governing body, perhaps that explains the language barrier here. Just be careful not to get guided by fancy too much or you might end up lost in the back of your own head, although depending on the perspective that might be a fantastic proposition.
What makes you think imagination is not a governing body? Personally for me it is much more important than the physical.

I believe there to be an objective universe: all that makes up the mathematical, physical, everything within time and space . . . and the subjective universe: the creative, imaginative mind, that essence of us that lies outside of the objective universe.
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Winston Churchill said; "You create your own universe as you go along. The stronger your imagination, the more variegated your universe."
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Excellent. I believe old Winston was spot on. I am fairly certain that is how it works.

I am going to look for more of his quotes. He evidently knew some things. Not bad for a politician. thanks sirius.
You guys mentioning Winston Churchill reminds me of the single "Fools Overture" by Supertramp. This particular song is one of my all-time favorite singles.


"Fool's Overture" is the closing track from Supertramp's 1977 album Even in the Quietest Moments. Written and sung by guitarist, keyboard player, singer and songwriter Roger Hodgson, the song tells about World War II Britain and the lessons learned from it. The song, which is over 10 minutes long, is a collage of progressive instrumentation and sound samples. First there are excerpts of Winston Churchill's famous June 4, 1940 House of Commons speech regarding Britain's involvement in World War II ("Never Surrender"), and later sounds of police cars and church bells are heard.
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What makes you think imagination is not a governing body? Personally for me it is much more important than the physical.

I believe there to be an objective universe: all that makes up the mathematical, physical, everything within time and space . . . and the subjective universe: the creative, imaginative mind, that essence of us that lies outside of the objective universe.
It's a tried and tested line of inquiry that has led to such things as leaving many people without their vital organs in order to keep the sun happy, simply put I find it unreliable. I believe imagination can only be useful in explaining things if we already know everything to begin with, otherwise it will run away with itself.
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While the imagination is worthy of note I don't think it's a governing body, perhaps that explains the language barrier here. Just be careful not to get guided by fancy too much or you might end up lost in the back of your own head, although depending on the perspective that might be a fantastic proposition.
Oh Mr. Rubato. I don't get guided by fancy. I'm guided with a rope around my neck. A ball and chain around my ankles. A 10 ton cross over my shoulders of burden.

I can't even light a cigarette

Just kidding. I'm exaggerating. It's only 9 tons

My next up on the evolutionary scale is probably a teenage mutant ninja turtle.

But, I will sing, so I don't get

Sorry if I am being nonsensical. I need some sleep. Just throwing out some humor.

Have not looked him up yet, but, I believe imagination is actually a governing body. I believe it the only source we have to create anything.

Mine is in anarchy right now. Waiting on a mandate of heaven, and create a Confucian style socialist utopia. Dirt poor, because, of the corporate global capitalist fascist pigs oppressing the back of my head

I was thinking about posting Mr. Roboto for you, but, I hate that song. Here's a good Styx song.



I know I'm off-topic, so, sorry folks.

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It's a tried and tested line of inquiry that has led to such things as leaving many people without their vital organs in order to keep the sun happy, simply put I find it unreliable. I believe imagination can only be useful in explaining things if we already know everything to begin with, otherwise it will run away with itself.
Do you mean by the imagination "running away with itself" like this particular single might suggest?

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