The Evolution of Music: Accident, or Adaptation?

Necromancer · 11-30-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by steveeden888

I wonder how the creativity of Alice Cooper can be measured. I gotta start a thread on Alice. He was a maniac. And, I have not seen one reference on this forum to his creativity.

peace

I think that a lot of people see and hear the theatrical side to Alice Coopers music and never really sit down and actually listen to the the creative genii behind Alice Coopers music, anything other than his more popular material anyway like, "No More Mr Nice Guy" etc.

One of my favorite albums, his 1978 release "From The Inside". Lyrics written by Alice Cooper in collaboration with Bernie Taupin.

Looking forward to your thread.

Guybrush · 12-01-2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by steveeden888

I would advise that you just forget all that 'information', and discard it. Free that portion of the brain for more music. Music has always reflected 'cultural' ideals, and, tribal cultures usually used music as an appeal or appeasement to the various 'gods'.

Mating rituals in humans were rarely individual rites. And, as for animals, i.e birds, science understands them less than they understand us.

Your comments appear to address the issues with far more logic and reasoning than the comments quoted by the various 'sources'. It seems that the authors fail to take into account the biggest influence on modern music. Money. Record companies create 'sex idols', and pop music is designed to appeal to teenage girls. And, that all began with Elvis, who never wrote or co-wrote a song his entire career. And, he is the 'king'?

I won't rant. I agree with most of your comments. I would, however, toss the book in the trash file. Music has not 'evolved'. It has undergone several changes, which, then simply are classified under different or new genres.

Disco did die a quick death, thank heaven

But, it can still be heard in techno dance pop. If one were to consider that 'evolution', I suppose that would be a valid opinion. And finally, it is said that 'emo' grew out of the post-hardcore punk scene, but, I cringe whenever I read that

Oh well. I suppose I could write a book here, but, I digress

peace

steve

Perhaps I should point out, clearly this time, that this is the stupidest post I've read so far in the thread.

"the authors fail to take into account the biggest influence on modern music. Money."

The thread is not about the evolution of modern day music into various genres. Try and understand the thread instead of just pretending that you do and get on topic, please!

blankety blank · 12-01-2011, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

I think that a lot of people see and hear the theatrical side to Alice Coopers music and never really sit down and actually listen to the the creative genii behind Alice Coopers music, anything other than his more popular material anyway like, "No More Mr Nice Guy" etc.

One of my favorite albums, his 1978 release "From The Inside". Lyrics written by Alice Cooper in collaboration with Bernie Taupin.

Looking forward to your thread.

Wow. I remember the LP. I did not know he collaborated with Taupin. I'll start with Killer, and you can post some from this one. I'll get it started.

peace.....thanks for the friend request. You broke my cherry

Salami · 12-01-2011, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

The thread is about the evolution of music so it is not about the present as much as it is about our evolutionary history and why we evolved a capacity and desire to create and enjoy music. Generally speaking, any ideas involving the stress of touring, record labels, money and other present day stuff will just be irrelevant.

This is the kind of thing we ought to be discussing. It is wise for you to have pointed out that our desire to create music has existed long before the pressures of money and touring were around.
And even the title of the thread is "The Evolution of Music: Accident, or Adaptation?"

blankety blank · 12-01-2011, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Perhaps I should point out, clearly this time, that this is the stupidest post I've read so far in the thread.

"the authors fail to take into account the biggest influence on modern music. Money."

The thread is not about the evolution of modern day music into various genres. Try and understand the thread instead of just pretending that you do and get on topic, please!

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In contemporary society, interest in music also peaks during adolescence, further bolstering the sexual-selection aspects of music. Far more ninteen-year-olds are starting bands and trying to get their hands on new music than are forty-year-olds, even though forty-year-olds have had even more time to develop their musicianship and preferences. "Music evolved and continues to function as a courtship display, mostly broadcast by young males to attract females," [cognitive psychologist] Geoffry Miller argues.

Boy I sure feel stupid. "In contemporary society, Music evolved and continues to function as a courtship display, mostly broadcast by young males to attract females"........HMMMMM

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The thread is not about the evolution of modern day music into various genres.

I believe I stated a disagreement with the idea that contemporary music has NOT evolved, it has simply undergone changes, and has been re-categorized into various or different genres.

The last I checked, Classical is still Classical. Jazz is still Jazz. Blues are still Blues. Opera is still Opera. And, I believe Country still is Western. Classic Rock is still Classic Rock. Bluegrass yep.

But, pop is now techno, emo, brit pop, dream pop, indie pop, math rock, ska punk, neo-glam, ambient pop, space pop, lo-fi, noise pop, chamber pop...blah blah blah...

And, that is just a smidgen.

Here is a link for you, in case you would like a couple hundred more examples.

Explore: Pop/Rock | AllMusic

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"the authors fail to take into account the biggest influence on modern music. Money."

So, the fact that some author states that contemporary music has evolved and continues to function as a courtship display. And, I say no it hasn't, I disagree, I do not believe that. I have another opinion. Gee, how ignorant of me to have an opinion that is totally valid and poignant to the fact of just how contemporary music is influenced by powerful record moguls, who mold and shape performers for profit, rather than how it has 'evolved' and continues to function as some primate mating ritual.

Maybe, I need some stupid pills. Could you recommend a good stupid doctor?

Perhaps I should point out clearly that before you go around calling someone stupid, you might want to put down the PBR, and consider finishing 5th grade.
The third time's the charm they say.

I'm just guessing, however, I have no idea. You may be 12 or 13, who knows?
I never checked your profile, so, you may not read English so well.
I certainly don't mean to assume you are stupid like me.

But, since I do actually have a degree in psychology, I feel like I am qualified to have a different opinion on the subject. How about you? I'm sure you have a PhD, right?

peace my brother

Salami · 12-01-2011, 04:44 AM

No one criticizes tore's credentials. After his biology degree he became the only man in history to win the Nobel prize twice.

blankety blank · 12-01-2011, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mighty Salami

No one criticizes tore's credentials. After his biology degree he became the only man in history to win the Nobel prize twice.

I probably should not have. I looked at his upload. He looks more like Thor. I think I will delete my location now

Salami · 12-01-2011, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by steveeden888

I probably should not have. I looked at his upload. He looks more like Thor. I think I will delete my location now

On a serious note, tore is extremely well qualified for this.

Necromancer · 12-01-2011, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by steveeden888

But, since I do actually have a degree in psychology, I feel like I am qualified to have a different opinion on the subject. How about you? I'm sure you have a PhD, right?

I don't usually get in the middle of disagreements between other members, but I am shocked by some of your statements toward tore.

To be honest, I just don't see someone with a degree in psychology making such obtuse statements.

Peace.

Salami · 12-01-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by steveeden888

Maybe, I need some stupid pills. Could you recommend a good stupid doctor?

Perhaps I should point out clearly that before you go around calling someone stupid, you might want to put down the PBR, and consider finishing 5th grade.
The third time's the charm they say.

I'm just guessing, however, I have no idea. You may be 12 or 13, who knows?
I never checked your profile, so, you may not read English so well.
I certainly don't mean to assume you are stupid like me.

But, since I do actually have a degree in psychology, I feel like I am qualified to have a different opinion on the subject. How about you? I'm sure you have a PhD, right?

peace my brother

I've just re-read that. This is very obnoxious even by Internet standards. And do you think that by accusing tore of being 11 or 12 sounds like the argument of a winner?
As a matter of fact, tore used to be a mod on this site, and posts regularly constructive, persuasive and well mannered comments. I think your accusations are completely unnecessary.

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