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Old 07-08-2012, 03:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Racism/Sexism/ect in Music

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Curious to hear some of MB's opinions on this topic.
Is it ever "excusable" for an artist to make such a song? Does it bring down the quality of the rest of their work?
When is it making a social statement through a racist/sexist...etc narrator and when isn't it? Ex: The Rolling Stones' "Brown Sugar."
What about the disparity in calling out violence & sexism in "gangsta rap" compared to bands like Guns N Roses (especially blaming increased violence on rap)?
What about songs like the Violent Femmes' "Black Girls" ?
I'm not too sure about any of this, it's something I started thinking about recently after reading a post at "stuff white people do" titled "listen to racist music" about "Brown Sugar." So, thoughts?
Sorry, first thread, lmk if I placed it wrong?
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Very good first thread, and an intriguing question. I'm not familiar with gangsta rap, hip-hop or any of the other genres who seem to be more predisposed towards using racism or sexism in their lyrics, but I would just offer that it's not a new thing (as you point out): bands have been doing it for years --- which doesn't necessarily make it right --- and rock and metal would be another big culprit. I mean, not too many prog rock songs refer to "Girls with big tits" or whatever, unless you extend sexism to speciesism, in which case those guys REALLY have it in for dragons!

Gotta think about this more, will post again. I'm sure there'll be plenty of conflicting replies.

Well done: exactly what we need in a thread: intelligent, well thought-out, bound to create debate and interesting.

And not, to my knowledge, done here before...
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Old 07-08-2012, 04:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think a lot of the time those accusations come from people failing to understand that a work of art dealing with offensive subject matter is not the same that as endorsing it.
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What about the bands who are in fact racist, such as any white power groups.
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I become equally annoyed when it's 'etc' and not 'ect'
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't care and don't see it as any different than a band preaching some other moral/political stance.
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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For racism the three things that come to mind are Nazi Punk, National Socialist Black Metal, and good ol' Johnny Rebel.







I obviously don't agree with it, but they're free to make music about whatever they feel like.
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Freedom of speech, and also artistic purposes would have to make me say that it doesn't have a negative impact. I think that everyone should look at Slayer, a band that does songs about the Holocaust and "blasphemous" material. Lombardo is a devout catholic. It's just music, and I think you have to approach it with an open mind.
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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David Alan Coe, who has done his fair share of racist music, actually has had black musicians, and I believe he has denied being racist.
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