Has music become stagnant (stopped moving/evolving)?

nightfury · 12-16-2012, 05:54 AM

Evolving bring new flavors \m/

Rjinn · 12-16-2012, 05:59 AM

You don't have to be aggrandised to be a "true innovator." I've heard many many innovators who can experiment into forming their own sound without being treated in a godly manner, or aren't even well known. I think you're mixing up "innovator" with "revolutionists." They may link, but it doesn't mean one has to be a revolutionist in order to be an innovator. You also have to consider that it's not really up to the musician. They may be an instigator, but it's society who invest and make it into a statement.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-16-2012, 10:30 AM

If I was doing what you wanted I would have given out an infraction for the thread starter when he started throwing his toys out of his pram when people didn't agree with him. That's in post No 57 BTW.

Instead I decided to post a reasonable response to his original question to which he first ignored and then dismissed out of hand when I made a point of mentioning it again he then continued with his insistence people were disagreeing with him for the sake of it.
I could have probably given him an infraction for that too for deliberately trolling.

But I didn't, why didn't I?
Because the guy was new and I didn't want to start hurling infractions at him on his first day here. Which ironically is totally at odds of your theory of us 'assimilating more forum visitors'. He chose to go down that road so we allowed him to, It's that simple really.

For the most part this is a laid back forum that lets is members be treated like adults, occasionally things might get a little out of control and that's where we step in. I don't see anything in this thread that's gets any worse than a little heated and I don't see anything worth infraction or banning anybody for.

sopsych · 12-16-2012, 11:10 AM

I didn't advocate any punishments. Also, he wasn't/isn't trolling. But there's a big difference between not punishing newcomers and being friendly to them. There are reasons why few visitors become regular contributors.

midnight rain · 12-16-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sopsych

I didn't advocate any punishments. Also, he wasn't/isn't trolling. But there's a big difference between not punishing newcomers and being friendly to them. There are reasons why few visitors become regular contributors.

Why are you white knighting this guy?

At one point he called a mod a mother****er. He also called another member a chicken ****. Which veteran member post crossed the TOS line moreso than his posts?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 12-16-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

Why are you white knighting this guy?

At one point he called a mod a mother****er. He also called another member a chicken ****. Which veteran member post crossed the TOS line moreso than his posts?

If I hear that term 'white knighting' one more time I swear I will ban someone.

midnight rain · 12-16-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

If I hear that term 'white knighting' one more time I swear I will ban someone.

If I say it again, can I be the one to choose who you ban?

sopsych · 12-16-2012, 11:45 AM

I'm not "white knighting" him. But at least he seems smart and capable of starting worthwhile discussions, which is in line with the kind of active new member the site needs. The bad side wouldn't have surfaced fast if people hadn't been hostile toward him. Like I said, it's a pattern that probably drives away some people who have started participating or even before that. Advice to all: be friendlier to new members.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-16-2012, 11:53 AM

People were only hostile towards him because of his attitude, which it should be pointed out he admitted to and apologised for later on. And fair play to him for that he could have just walked, but he apologised and chose to start again.

I'd much rather give him respect for that than to kiss someones ass just because they are new.

I'm perfectly nice to new members, just as long as they're the same to me.

Rjinn · 12-16-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sopsych

It starts getting bad in #60 and continues for at least a page. Two of the people should know better and a third party eggs it on in a post that would be an infraction in many forums. I've seen this story before and would like assurances that the pattern stops here.

I don't know if you were talking about my post. I was responding to the OP in a general sense, then he took it personally. I had no idea that a similar argument was going on until I read the entire topic.

12-16-2012, 05:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
nightfury Groupie Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: spain Posts: 7	Evolving bring new flavors \m/ __________________ <Links removed by mod>

12-16-2012, 05:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rjinn The Aerosol in your Soul Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 1,546	You don't have to be aggrandised to be a "true innovator." I've heard many many innovators who can experiment into forming their own sound without being treated in a godly manner, or aren't even well known. I think you're mixing up "innovator" with "revolutionists." They may link, but it doesn't mean one has to be a revolutionist in order to be an innovator. You also have to consider that it's not really up to the musician. They may be an instigator, but it's society who invest and make it into a statement. __________________ last.fm Last edited by Rjinn; 12-16-2012 at 06:08 AM.

12-16-2012, 10:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	If I was doing what you wanted I would have given out an infraction for the thread starter when he started throwing his toys out of his pram when people didn't agree with him. That's in post No 57 BTW. Instead I decided to post a reasonable response to his original question to which he first ignored and then dismissed out of hand when I made a point of mentioning it again he then continued with his insistence people were disagreeing with him for the sake of it. I could have probably given him an infraction for that too for deliberately trolling. But I didn't, why didn't I? Because the guy was new and I didn't want to start hurling infractions at him on his first day here. Which ironically is totally at odds of your theory of us 'assimilating more forum visitors'. He chose to go down that road so we allowed him to, It's that simple really. For the most part this is a laid back forum that lets is members be treated like adults, occasionally things might get a little out of control and that's where we step in. I don't see anything in this thread that's gets any worse than a little heated and I don't see anything worth infraction or banning anybody for. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

12-16-2012, 11:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	People were only hostile towards him because of his attitude, which it should be pointed out he admitted to and apologised for later on. And fair play to him for that he could have just walked, but he apologised and chose to start again. I'd much rather give him respect for that than to kiss someones ass just because they are new. I'm perfectly nice to new members, just as long as they're the same to me. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

12-16-2012, 11:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
sopsych Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: indoors Posts: 722	I didn't advocate any punishments. Also, he wasn't/isn't trolling. But there's a big difference between not punishing newcomers and being friendly to them. There are reasons why few visitors become regular contributors.

12-16-2012, 11:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
sopsych Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: indoors Posts: 722	I'm not "white knighting" him. But at least he seems smart and capable of starting worthwhile discussions, which is in line with the kind of active new member the site needs. The bad side wouldn't have surfaced fast if people hadn't been hostile toward him. Like I said, it's a pattern that probably drives away some people who have started participating or even before that. Advice to all: be friendlier to new members.