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Old 03-15-2014, 08:01 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Someone just joining might think Urban was a horrible person (he is)
That's like the 3rd time in the past couple of weeks you've used me as an example in this context. Do you think I look like this?




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Old 03-15-2014, 01:56 PM   #32 (permalink)
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**** the cheerleader drama, all about the music
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Old 03-15-2014, 02:02 PM   #33 (permalink)
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My favorite Miles Davis album (easily) is Sketches of Spain, but I really like In a Silent Way too.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:45 PM   #34 (permalink)
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That's like the 3rd time in the past couple of weeks you've used me as an example in this context. Do you think I look like this?
Hey man, the people want what the people want...
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Um, no. I heard some Zappa in one of Rezz's mixes and bloody hated it. Throw it on the "Captain Beefheart reject" pile...

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My favorite Miles Davis album (easily) is Sketches of Spain, but I really like In a Silent Way too.
I'll add them to the list. Thanks!
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Old 03-15-2014, 10:23 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Um, no. I heard some Zappa in one of Rezz's mixes and bloody hated it. Throw it on the "Captain Beefheart reject" pile...
Which zappa?
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:22 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Which zappa?
Something like "Here come the dream police?"... dunno I just thought it was awful.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:32 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Something like "Here come the dream police?"... dunno I just thought it was awful.
It was probably 'here come the brain police'. The thing about Frank Zappa is that he doesn't give a **** about his lyrics, never has. He's a composer through and through, and to him, the human voice is just another instrument so it doesn't matter what the hell it's saying. I think that's awesome, but this can turn people off sometimes.

Another thing a lot of people don't dig is his common use of lulls in the music for conversational segments. There's a loooooottt of general conversation sort of **** in his music, where it's just him talking and music playing. I know a lot of people can't stand it.

Here's some tracks of his I think you might dig though:





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Old 03-16-2014, 12:05 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Something like "Here come the dream police?"... dunno I just thought it was awful.
Who are the Brain Police? is a one of Zappa's zanier tracks. Zappas discography has a lot range, and Hot Rats is a different animal from Freak Out! which is the album with that track. Hell, there are few tracks on Freak Out! that are entirely similar to that song, as it jumps all over the place. Hot Rats is instrumental jazz fusion (save for some vocals on Willie the Pimp) and is nowhere near as experimental as the track you've hard. Give Hot Rats a listen, Urban isn't trying to hurt you this time.

If you had heard this album by Devin Townsend as your first, would you consider pursuing the rest of his discography?


Hearing that you probably wouldn't expect an Epicloud or any Strapping Young Lad material in his back catalog. Artists have the potential to be dynamic, and it's a bad idea to write off the artist as a whole because of one album (or even worse, just a track) by them that you disliked, especially with someone like Zappa. Give Carpe Mortem's videos a preview and you might be surprised that they sound nothing like Who Are the Brain Police?
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Old 03-16-2014, 04:27 PM   #39 (permalink)
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If you follow up on all the suggestions you`re getting, you`re going to overdose so completely you`ll never listen to another jazz record again, TH.
inb4 that happens, I`d x2 Anteater`s recommendation:-

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Lots of great suggestions all around guys. And TH, when your ready to jump into 70's-to-modern jazz fusion, you know who to call.

A few early recommendations though:

Return To Forever - Where Have I Known You Before
Ain Soph - A Story Of Mysterious Forest
Soft Machine - Third
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Apocalypse
Dimension - Fourth Dimension
Anything labelled jazz-fusion should be half-way to rock anyway, which you might find more palatable. I`m afraid that includes Hot Rats, btw - but also albums like this, which I discovered through MB:-
http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...-1976-a-3.html

Jazz-funk is also very accessible because all the noodley bits are built up on top of difficult-to-lose rhythms. Herbie Hancock`s Thrust and Headhunters albums are good examples of the style.

And here`s a little taste of a personal favourite. Who knew that for all these millenia birds have been singing jazz to us?
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You guys have got to give me a chance! I'm just barely edging, slowly and with very quiet and careful footsteps in case they hear me and turn their big horns (oooeeerr!) on me, into the territory known as jazzland. I'm in no way ready for jazz fusion, proto-jazz, experimental jazz, smooth jazz or anything else. Gotta crawl afore I can walk, y'know.

Also, I have this Panopticon album to listen to and still 90-odd out of the 100 best Prog albums of 2013, not to mention another six or seven series for the Couch Potato and three major series for the Playlist. And after that I may end up getting busy!

Baby steps, baby steps....
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