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Old 04-18-2014, 07:51 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Even though I haven't added to the discussion in this thread. I filled out the survey yesterday.
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Old 04-18-2014, 08:05 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Probably because they didn't play anywhere and
were too reliant on big corp to carry their fat ass.

I've always looked at LPs, CDs, etc - the "stuff" of music -
as glorified business cards. Since you shouldn't have to pay
for someone's business card, the same thing applies here.
Art pieces, created one by one, or sometimes in multiples:
if they're considered modern masterworks, they're sold for
BIG bucks. When you create a CD that's packaged like all the
others - something that doesn't stand out as anything musically
or visually original or interesting - having little redeeming quality
that sets it apart from others, it's no wonder that you can't make a
buck off it - nor should you. Again: "Hey, here's my music.
This is what I do. Come see me at ____________________"
Be less like other artists - or, at least, beat them at their own game.
Create something special that's not meant to be mass-marketed -
something that curious and creative-minded people will want to own
as an original piece that both sounds and looks original.
"Hey, look at this special edition of this Nurse With Wound recording.
It looks and sounds excellent!" Just put in some effort to stand out.
I pretty much agree with this.

I think that in this wondrous, vast new world of internet communication and networking, artists need to get the hell over the fact that people get to listen to their music for free and find more ways to make money besides just creating and producing that music. Tour, sell merchandise, jump on the revived interest in records.

Besides, even if people DID pay for their music, those who couldn't afford to do so could really just hang out with a friend who can and listen to their collection. At least by having their own supply they gain a greater appreciation for artists.... and are more likely to pay to see them live or buy a t-shirt.

So the music itself? Yeah, I think it should be free. Especially considering everyone and their ****ing brother is a musician nowadays.

Shows, merch, etc? Jack them prices up. That's how you can make your money.

It's a renewed world, adapt or go extinct. This is just a return to the bard times of lore when musicians weren't the ****ing gods they've become in the last century or so and were amongst the most poor in society. Hobbies usually don't pay the bills, get a real job and stop putting all your energy into trying to get rich off expressing yourself.

Tldr I kinda hate musicians who are in it for money, especially considering how much longer artwork has pretty much been free online, not to mention all the free reading material nowadays. What makes music a more valid work of art? It's high time it faced the same fate as every other HOBBY.

You can't make money off reproducing the same thing over and over again practically as a copy paste. Play shows or sell an original canvas.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:31 AM   #63 (permalink)
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BTW, I have 4 albums I've released. I don't have a problem with making them available for free since they aren't professionally produced, and my costs to create them are minimal. It may not be a popular thing to do, but I have no problem with it for now. Besides, the stuff I create isn't everybody's cup-o-tea. Not a lot of amateur guitar instrumental enthusiasts out there.

If I were to pay for professional production, and have a full band along with me, that's where the freebies end.

I understand the first paragraph and think the same.
Also, I think the final statement makes the difference.
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:45 PM   #64 (permalink)
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absolutely .. the music should be free ... make money on the shows and profit from the merchandise and official gear
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:15 PM   #65 (permalink)
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I am a musician and am currently working on an album from my home. It is very time consuming and costly. In order to make music the way I want I need a computer (dedicated to music), Piano Keyboard, Recording Interface that connects instruments to PC and communicates with PC, headphones (so I don't bother everyone else in the house), recording software and plug-ins, an expensive microphone, three guitars (one broken) and lots and lots of time.

When people steal music it's very frustrating. It's cool that you get an album full of awesome tunes to listen to for free but now all of that hard work and time spent preparing the music for your ears is completely wasted. Solo Musicians spend countless hours on one song trying to get it just right. Now take it from a bands perspective. You have 3 or more people working just as hard as everyone else. When you pirate music you are basically telling your favorite band to stop producing music. Think really hard before you pirate music and keep the music industry alive!!!
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Old 04-22-2014, 05:51 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Tldr I kinda hate musicians who are in it for money, especially considering how much longer artwork has pretty much been free online, not to mention all the free reading material nowadays. What makes music a more valid work of art? It's high time it faced the same fate as every other HOBBY.
I disagreed with pretty much everything you said but the bolded part needs to be addressed.

I feel like maybe you have it in your head that being a starving artist is glorious and that people shouldn't be allowed to pay their bills off of their creations regardless of what you think of the quality of their work.

It doesn't matter what type of art you create, if that is what you choose to do for your lifestyle then you should be compensated so that you can live off of your passion.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:08 PM   #67 (permalink)
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I disagreed with pretty much everything you said but the bolded part needs to be addressed.

I feel like maybe you have it in your head that being a starving artist is glorious and that people shouldn't be allowed to pay their bills off of their creations regardless of what you think of the quality of their work.

It doesn't matter what type of art you create, if that is what you choose to do for your lifestyle then you should be compensated so that you can live off of your passion.
Au contraire, I know way too many unsuccessful artists/ musicians/ writers etc of many different types and levels of talent who all want to be paid for what they enjoy in life. Wasting away money and years into their passion all in the hopes of cash, almost like they don't do it out of pure enjoyment, and bitching about people finding a way to download tracks they've released for free. I think they're kind of naive, and living a pipe dream.

I asked a friend to draw me up a tattoo and he wanted me to pay him before I even had any idea or sketch in hand! I'm pretty much in agreement with rostasi on this, although I express it less diplomatically. The music itself is a business card. You don't get to make money purely on the basis of making music, it has to be good enough that people want to show their support.

And any time someone uses youtube, or plug.dj, or lastfm for instance, they seem to be in agreement. To my credit I use rhapsody, which is ten bucks a month.
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Old 04-23-2014, 02:50 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Omg Carpe, not even a little sympathy?
i think every musician wants to live off his music or else music is just a hobby to him

And if they seem desperate to get paid, it's because they're exactly that, desperate!
Desperate to make a living doing what their passion is before they have to give up and get a day job along with all the dreamers that learned to settle

As a consumer i enjoy getting free stuff but as a musician i know how much you have to struggle to get noticed let alone get paid,
If you're not a big band signed to a label you'll make no money on tours or merchandise cause no one knows who the f*ck you are, and on top of that your songs are downloaded for free, so how are you gonna sustain a living? get a day job and put music on hold? you can't really make it in music if you don't fully commit to it and these struggling musicians end up having to do everything, producing the tracks, handing out the flyers, all for nothing cause they can compete with free or live off of it.
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:48 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Absolutely a valid question....
And yes you can always listen to the album first before you buy it. And i also really love the music...
feel free to Liston chopra's music
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