Frownland

You just proved yourself wrong. For it to be performed there has to be a performer an in most cases there would be an audience. So there would be lots of noise.

I don't have to like an artist to defend its art as art. I've learned a lot about Cage from both his writings and others', so a lot of my points are coming from Cage himself. I'm of the opinion that it's not up to the listener to decide that it's music, it's the artist. So yes, I would defend Poison if that's the case, but I probably wouldn't be able to go on at such length about it because I don't know much about Poison apart from the fact that their music is **** and one of them got into reality tv.

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Chula Vista

Bull****. A piece of music only requires a medium. If 4'33 were an MP3 file is it still music?

There's f*cking boatloads of music in this day and age that never sees a stage or an audience. Does that not make it music?

I get what Cage was trying to do and he achieved it in context. But it's only an art experiment. To call it music is absurd.

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Frownland

In that context, yes, but it is written to be performed given the ideological nature of the piece.

And with all my Dali avatars I've had, absurd isn't really an insult for me .

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Chula Vista

Not meant as an insult. Sorry it came across that way.

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Mondo Bungle

My dad says an audio file would take up more space if there's more going on in it. Is that true?

Like, he said a whole orchestrated piece with all kinds of instruments would take up more space than one with just talking for the exact same time and exact same quality.

I don't know about that. This thread is popular though, so I asked here.

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DeadChannel

I sort of really doubt that. You might be able to compress a piece of music that has less happening more though.
Compression is not something that I really know anything about, mind you.

Ninetales

hypothetically 4'33 could work as an MP3 file rigfht? like it wouold be the recording of it being performed, so I guess it would just be all of the detected sounds heard within the concert hall.

Rexx Shredd

Yes and No

to answer this, you really have to have a broad understanding of digital sampling technology

Trying to condense what should be a day-long seminar into one paragraph:

A digital audio signal is created when an audio source-file is sampled. This is achieved by super-imposing a high carrier wave over the source wave. Everytime the carrier wave crosses the path of a source file, a "dot" is created at the intersection where data is digitally recorded. When enough of these dots exist, the human brain "draws" in the rest of the digital waveform by "connecting the dots". The higher the carrier wave, the shorter the peak-to-peak distance is and - therefore - more intersecting dots over a given source file area for better sampling resolution. This is why a 44.1 khz carrier has better sampling resolution than a 32 khz wave and, therefore, sounds better. By the way, this is called the 'sample rate'.

With that said, if the structure of the source waveform is complex, the intersecting node may have more digital information stored there. This does NOT necessarily mean more instruments or whatever but, rather, the complexity of the source material. For example, a violin string bowed has a more complex structure than a single oscillator analog synthesizer so each point of the violin string will hold more information than the dots sampling the single osc analog synth for the same time and sample rate.

How it is encoded to different file formats, both in speed, depth, resolution, bit-rate, etc also affects file size

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