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Old 11-27-2014, 07:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If non-whatever-her-music-is fans can't name a single one of her songs, then how big of an icon can she be? I think an icon's fame should be able to cross genre boundaries, or else what's the point of calling her an icon? I don't listen to Beyonce, but I can still bring the chorus of "Crazy In Love" to mind without much effort. I don't listen to Frank Sinatra at all, but I can still name several of his songs, and know a little bit of how a few of them go.

And I stand by what I said about Vanilla Ice being a bigger icon than Janet.

Being able to recall a song does not make that singer an Icon. It involves much more. There are a ton of songs I can recall but that does not mean those singers are Icon's.

There are a ton of rock legends that are Icons but if you were to ask me to name one of their songs, I wouldn't be able too.

Does that make them any less of an Icon?

No.

This is a very weak argument that doesn't prove anything because I can ask this question from other people from a different forum and get way different responses.

You make it seem like Janet is this unknown act and she is not based on the a few of the responses from this thread from other members who don't just listen to rock music, its clear she is not an unknown act.

Its embarrassing you would compare her to Vanilla Ice (who I honestly can not recall a single song from or any iconic moments/albums etc)
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Old 11-27-2014, 07:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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First of all. You. Are. Lying. You know "Ice Ice Baby" just like every person on this planet. That is one of the biggest pop culture phenomenons of the past few decades, and to pretend otherwise is nonsense. However you feel about Vanilla Ice, or that song, it has made him an icon that far outshines much more deserving artists, including Janet Jackson. If you don't want to accept this, I guess because you absolutely refuse to give any credit to any artist you don't like, then have fun being wrong.

Secondly. Alright, so if her music isn't well-known outside of certain circles, then what does make her an icon? She doesn't have any videos that anyone outside of those same limited circles would know. Or performances. What makes her an icon?
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Old 11-27-2014, 07:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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First of all. You. Are. Lying. You know "Ice Ice Baby" just like every person on this planet. That is one of the biggest pop culture phenomenons of the past few decades, and to pretend otherwise is nonsense. However you feel about Vanilla Ice, or that song, it has made him an icon that far outshines much more deserving artists, including Janet Jackson. If you don't want to accept this, I guess because you absolutely refuse to give any credit to any artist you don't like, then have fun being wrong.

Secondly. Alright, so if her music isn't well-known outside of certain circles, then what does make her an icon? She doesn't have any videos that anyone outside of those same limited circles would know. Or performances. What makes her an icon?

Oh so I AM the liar

Did I call you a liar when you couldn't name a Janet Jackson song?

The rudeness and the hypocrisy of this forum is astounding.

I go on a ton of other music forums and they acknowledge Janet Jackson as an Icon.

I am done with this discussion, you can think what you want to think
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Is it okay for a newb to tell y'all to STFU about this shit?

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It's funny but I didn't see anyone arguing with you about calling Michael Jackson, Prince, Marvin Gaye or Aretha Franklin icons. You also posted a picture of The Supremes so I guess you could add Diana Ross to that list too.
Whitney Houston maybe.

Yet as soon as people disagree about Janet Jackson's inclusion......
"This forum is full of racist people who only listen to rock, everybody else I speak to think she's a legend you're all snobs blah blah blah.'
despite the fact people have gone to the effort to debate with you explaining rationally why they think she isn't only for you to totally ignore all those points and push your own agenda.

When this thread started I knew as soon as I saw this that it would be you throwing a hissy fit when people didn't agree with your choices, looks like I was right. But even I was surprised at how childish you would become when you couldn't have your own way.

I really thought you were better than this.
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I really thought you were better than this.
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It's funny but I didn't see anyone arguing with you about calling Michael Jackson, Prince, Marvin Gaye or Aretha Franklin icons. You also posted a picture of The Supremes so I guess you could add Diana Ross to that list too.
Whitney Houston maybe.

Yet as soon as people disagree about Janet Jackson's inclusion......
"This forum is full of racist people who only listen to rock, everybody else I speak to think she's a legend you're all snobs blah blah blah.'
despite the fact people have gone to the effort to debate with you explaining rationally why they think she isn't only for you to totally ignore all those points and push your own agenda.

When this thread started I knew as soon as I saw this that it would be you throwing a hissy fit when people didn't agree with your choices, looks like I was right. But even I was surprised at how childish you would become when you couldn't have your own way.

I really thought you were better than this.
If this is your opinion that is fine

However

Urban I think you should take a look in the mirror because you seem to think you have this superiority above others and you come off snobbish and immature yourself in discussions at times.

You came off very snobbish in this discussion which is why I expressed my opinion the way I did. I did not cuss you out or disrespect you but I am tired of this snobbish attitude and people seem afraid to point this out to you but I am not.

I have ignored it in the past but since you wanted to bring this up I thought I point this out to you as well.

You also could do a better job in moderating the forums and maybe getting a better administration because the trolling and member attacks are appalling on this site.

I have endured it all and I am tired of it.

So are a lot of other members.
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