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It's not so much a showcase of feminism as it as a good representation of a woman who is in charge which can be empowering to women regardless of what she is in charge of or how she uses her power. Some people like her content others do not, but I don't think it really captures the bigger picture of what she represents. Feminism is about equal opportunities and she has made her way to the top in a "male dominated"(not sure how statistically correct this is anymore) society.

On topic:

A music icon is someone who is a good representation of the genre. I view this the same way as Mundo. If I were talking to someone about music and said "do you like "X" genre? For example artist or artist".

Icons are usually very popular and probably a source of inspiration for others in the same genre.

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Soulflower

I think it matters because just because a singer is marketed as being one thing does not necessarily mean people are going to agree with how is being branded.

The reason why I asked you what your definition of feminism was and if you understand the meaning of it is because not all girls, women, people look at her as an accurate representation of what feminism is despite that being something she tries to "brand"

Also she is not the first to coin the phrase in the mainstream.

I still disagree with your argument that her bringing up feminism automatically means she will be legendary when there have been artists before her that were actual feminists and actually cared about social issues i.e. Aretha Franklin.

Coining a social term is more than just calling yourself a feminist and has more to do with how you implement the term with actions which Beyonce does not do lol She does not sing about social issues or equality. Her music is nothing more but generic disposable music.

Your making her fancy title of her "brand" more meaningful than what it actually is.

I think Iconic moments, legendary status and classic music is determined by the Public and so far she is not really viewed as any of these things by the public besides being popular. I never hear any of her of old songs play on the radio or her old music videos playing on television.

I am still bewildered with how her music is so groundbreaking and innovative.

I often hear people cite her being overrated more than anything else and I know fans of hers that think the same way as well.

You really don't think Beyonce is overly sexual explicit and provocative on stage and in her videos? Have you seen her latest videos?

You can like her but come on and I do not think what she does is dancing. She does not do intricate, rehearsed or complicated choreography.

Shaking your ass is not dancing.

I really appreciate your opinions!!!

Urban Hat€monger ?

I find it interesting when it comes to artists being iconic or legendary you listed ones you like and then started disagreeing with ones you didn't.

I'd be interested in seeing who you consider iconic or legendary that you don't personally like and saying why you think they are.

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Soulflower

So are you insisting that Michael Jackson being an Icon and The Supremes being a legend is just MY own subjective opinion OR you disagree with that?

There are objective reasons for why they are Icons and legends, MJ is both.

I have made it clear previously that I don't think this current generation has any Icons or legends because they have not really made that much of an impact on music (and quite frankly they haven't).


Elvis is a legend and I don't like him (which I haven't stated plenty of times)

Madonna is an Icon and I think she is overrated.....but Madonna has Iconic and classic albums, songs, performances (MTV performance), videos etc, she has made a big cultural impact on pop culture.

Pet_Sounds

Would you say Elvis is an icon?

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Soulflower

Yes, actually he is.

Both a legend and Icon similar with the Beatles.

James

What about someone on the opposite end of the spectrum. Ozzy Osbourne?

YorkeDaddy

I think we could play a fun game where we make a list of artists and Soulflower can label them an icon, legend, both, or neither.

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Soulflower

Thanks D for your opinions.

The problem I have with people insisting she represents this is that it only really showcases one theory out of many different theories that fall under feminism.

I just feel sorry for all the impressionable young girls who look at her overly sexual performances and music videos and think dressing half naked represents feminism or means "liberation" when it doesn't.

She is confusing her young fans.

Soulflower

hahahaha