Until a little while ago, I'd never even heard of Rhythm Nation, and I'm willing to bet a large percentage of even this forum hadn't either. I'm sure I've listened to a few of her songs, but not for years. Seriously, no one on Earth has ever listened to a Janet Jackson album. Not once. And don't say you have, cause you're clearly living on Mars. Nobody remembers anything about her except for her name. That's it. If it wasn't for that she'd be just another forgotten footnote in music history.

So wait, is somebody considered an icon if you are not even aware that this icon exists? If she is an icon, wouldn't I know something about her. Because all I know is her name. Then again, this is coming from a person who found out who MJ was the day he died.

john cage is an icon that's for damn sure

Of course. He showed the world that recording 4 minutes of silence is bankable. What a legend more like.

Alright, yeah, your opinion is irrelevant. Go stand in the corner.

You did provide reasons. However, none of those things you mentioned has made a cultural significant impact on pop culture. None of what you mentioned has been groundbreaking for music.

Just curious. Would you say Iron Maiden are Iconic. I mean, their live performances are considered the best. Also their album covers. And their mascot. Are they Legends or Icons?

But YOU do LOL


You know about the movie lol


The movie is an Iconic moment mostly because of the soundtrack and "I Will Always Love You" the song.

Is this because YOU don't listen to her?


This seems like a exaggerated assumption.

She is one of the biggest selling artist of all time.

And at one time sold out stadiums

So I highly doubt that.

Nope those are objective facts. I still have not seen you say why Kanye is not an icon.

I study film at university and I'm a member of a music site. People that don't have those passions, they haven't seen the film.
The song is famous, maybe even iconic, but I don't think the film is in any respect.

Did you skip over the last pages LOL

I went into detail why Kanye is not an Icon.

You were a little vague. Could you go into more detail? I want to understand.

lol!

We'll have to take that as a "no"

To an extent. They're right at the cusp of mainstream popularity, but not quite. Every metalhead and music nerd on Earth knows who they are, and a large percentage of rock music fans, but after that they actually become kind of obscure.

But as far as that group of people go, they seem to meet all of Soulflower's criteria by a mile. Their first six albums are definitely iconic. Even their two albums with Blaze Bailey are iconic in a negative way.

Someone has probably already said this... But an icon is objective, in that its something recognizable by most people within a particular subset of music, and a legend is highly subjective. A legend can often be agreed on by multiple fans within that subset, or across all music, but ultimately its too strong a word to be anything other than opinion.

John Cage is a legend.

I take an icon to be somebody that everyone recognises just from a single image, even years later. Bob Marley is always the first I think of. Even of I didn't listen to Marley, didn't know anything about his life, I'd still know him because his image is still inescapable in our culture.
I could see Kanye West and his fancy sunglasses and clothing, as well as his political moments and public persona, being built to last. Especially now that he's married to Kim Kardashian, I am not a fan of hers but she is also a colossal star and that magazine cover had quite an impact, it could be looked back on as a Marilyn Monroe style pin up photo.

~~~rihanna has sold more than frank Sinatra~~~

(and janet Jackson fwiw)

I think Rhythm Nation is iconic.

I like Janet Jackson, I remember hearing some songs by her on Mtv, but I agree with everyone else. From what I remember, she wasn't that big a deal, just another pop musician with actual talent. If she wasn't MJ's sister I don't feel like she would have been such a big name, but she is, so I can't just ignore that fact.

Brandy, Aaliyah, and TLC are all bigger, better names to me.

That's just not true. There was the super bowl thing.

This is the one thing anyone has mentioned that is legitimately iconic. So, I guess if she's iconic, it's because she made a spectacle of herself (and because of her brother), cause it's certainly not because of her music.

ok ok its settled janet Jackson is not iconic, but her boob is. good day all.

Hey Mondo,

I never see you posting much in the forum... nice to see you.

Okay its settled, Music Banter is a racially insensitive site that doesn't listen to black artists, good day

Thanks dear.

Kanye's black. Does that make you racist?

Now you know you need to stop trolling lol

I think it's a bit rude to call out everyone on Music Banter racially insensitive. I certainly am not.

Not saying every single person is but for majority I think its fair to say.

But you don't even listen to a single Mexican artist. Why do you hate Mexicans Soulflower?

yeah wow not knowing a janet Jackson song makes me racist good lord get a grip.

Majority? Music Banter is a really big site with tons of people registered. You also specificied that Music Banter in general is racially insensitive. You can see where people would have a problem.

And why does the colour of your skin mean anything. If I like the music, that's it. Not because their black.

What are you, the grand wizard?

How do you know that I don't listen to Mexican artists?

Ritchie Valens is one of my favs as well as Selena

I bet I listen to more multi-cultural artists than you do.

It is clear this is something that lacks greatly on this site and reflect in these discussions.

Your confusing site with people.

I grew up on hiphop, white people are the minority of my music collection.

People make up a site.

Once again I am not calling everyone racially insensitive but I feel that way overall about this forum.

I think you are racist against white people making statements like that.

Stop painting with such a broad brush.