Do you listen to Tuvan throat singing? If not, why do you hate the Tuvans?

My point is that line of thought is ****ing stupid.

I almost never hear you mention anyone but black artists. By your own logic you're a black supremacist bent on killing the white man and dashing our children's brains out on large rocks.

How exactly is that racist?

I am making an observation since I have been on this forum long enough to make it

I think its disrespectful

Once again, my favorite genres are soul/funk music (I have made that clear since day one)which mostly consists of African American artists by default but I have talked about other acts as well not just them.


I actually try to contribute to those genres and threads which seem to not be much of an interest to the members compared to the rock oriented threads here.

I'm still waiting for a good explanation on why you hate the Tuvans.

im still waiting for a good explanation on why im so racist

Cuz ur wite

you don't know that

I'm French Canadian and can't stand Celine Dion.

I'm so confused now....

I think this thread is disintegrating because of the Ferguson verdict.

You're French Canadian? Sacrebleu, mon amie!

remember kids, facts is trolls

Do you listen to a lot of traditional klezmer? No? So you're a Nazi? Is that how we play the game?

I like how you totally ignored everything I said about Cyndi Lauper even though I said I had no interest in either artist. Also I never said she wasn't iconic for that reason. I said the reasons I didn't think she was is because the reasons you stated were nowhere near convincing.

She had a successful album & tour and wore an outfit, wow.
I gave you another example of another female artist with a similar length career who has done all that too and who has more recognisable songs and stated that I didn't think she was an icon so what did Janet do that was so iconic. Perfectly legitimate question.

I said it gets her a pass, I didn't say it makes her an icon. You think anybody would even know the first names of any of those you listed with the careers they had if they didn't have the Jackson surname?
Turn up at a record company with that name and you're pretty much guaranteed a contract and publicity that no other act would get.

It is, but that's because it's one invented in your head and bares little resemblance to anything I've actually said, like most of the things I say to you actually. You cherrypick a few words, take them grossly out of context and ignore the rest. Your usual tactic.

I'll just quote this from a post I made a few days ago

It's all subjective, each artist has their own fan base that view them as icons. Long ago I used to think MJ was the best ever, but as I grew older and listened to more music his music grew out of me. I think he is a great entertainer/dancer but not all that musically talented. Most of his songs sound very lame to me nowadays. There are also old rock bands like KISS, and Poison, who thanks to their imagery, still have their fan base that considers them icons, but to me they are just clowns.

The only current mainstream artist that I would personally consider a future legend is Kanye West. To me he is also a lot more musically talented than MJ, and he doesn't rely on imagery or dancing and grabbing his crotch in order to impress people like MJ, Kiss, and Poison do. Kanye actually has quality music to back it up.

Ha I thought you were talking about Mick Jagger when you said MJ.....:)
Kanye has the music to back it up? Man I saw that fool on Saturday Night Live and if that is an example of having music to back it up I'm sticking with those clowns Kiss.

I'm absolutely stunned that you don't like Kanye.

A lot of the time when people talk about John Cage I think they're talking about John Cale.


Just wanted to say that.

And also that John Cale is a legend. And an icon. And Janet Jackson is not lmfao

His production is on point. He's a ****ty MC and his lyrics are trash, and if he doesn't write them than he's even less of an MC.

John CALE is amazing, of course. John CAGE is a pretentious twat.

Vanilla Ice is more of an icon than Janet Jackson. Even after all these years, his fame hasn't really diminished any, and "Ice, Ice Baby" is still as ubiquitous as ever, even if a lot of people just know the chorus and that bass line. He's pretty much the ultimate posterboy of the one-hit wonder in a way that eclipses many established and respected artists.

Nah, 4'33" is only a single part of his work out of thousands. Do you really find this pretentious?



Looking at interviews, he comes across as the opposite of pretentious, but I think people confuse that term with open-mindedness.

^could you recommend me some

One work of monumental pretentiousness can undo a lifetime of real work.

Yeah, I can't compare with most of this forum but I've heard and know a ****load of music compared to the average person and I can't name a single Janet Jackson song, but I definitely know Ice Ice Baby.

Since Vanilla Ice is white I anticipate Soulflower calling me racist now.

You don't know Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation? I thought everyone knew that. I thought it was iconic.

Oh and also this might be kind of uncomfortable overall so I'm not really going to say anything, but I'm going to go ahead and post this picture of Michael Jackson

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...el_Jackson.jpg


yup

Four Walls, Sonatas and Interludes for Prepared Piano, and In a Landscape.

I'm sorry that you feel that way, you're missing out on a lot of beautiful music. Have you heard John Cale's early work? Does it undo his later work or vice versa?

I'll check him out, bro.

I don't particularly care if an artist is pretentious, so long as they make good music. I'd rather listen to pretentious but entertaining, rather than grounded but boring.

I'm curious. Do you sit there and listen to that kind of stuff like other people listen to mainstream? Like say you have an hour drive ahead of you, would play you these musical "noise experiments"?

I'm not knocking you for it. I just don't get it.

Me, too.

Ja I do, drone and noise are among my favourite genres. Though to be honest, when I listen to that album I usually skip that song.

Funnily enough John Cage was a massive influence on John Cale.

I don't think I could ever take a road trip with you. :D

I'm gonna have to try and listen to more of it when I'm doing stuff, see if it grows on me. It's really interesting, I just haven't found anything that's grabbed my ears.

it all starts with Mr. Bungle

Well I listen to other types of music and I always keep my company in mind. Except for my roommates, they get no mercy.

It's always worth giving new music a shot, but if it's not your thing that's cool too. PM me if you want any recs though.

And it does start with Bungle, been listening to then my whole life.

Do you even know when you're kidding by this point?
No, just No, Janet jackson's tittie is more iconic than Vanilla ice

Nope. Janet's boob was a spectacle that people talked about and still remember, but "Ice Ice Baby" is a beloved piece of pop culture history. Even though they still remember it, nobody really cares about the boob anymore, but "Ice Ice Baby" is eternal.

Not a day goes by where i don't think about Janet jackson's boob and seriously, if we're lowering the icon bar so low that Vanilla ice is one Janet should be one as well cause Vanilla had Ice baby but Janet jackson had rhythm nation, That's the way love goes, Any time Any Place and more hits Vanilla ice was just a white Mc hammer with one hit.

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The Batlord

aka The Master Bator

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