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Anteater 12-07-2015 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1657839)
I do. That's how I based my list, on what albums I listened to the most. For a long time I was listening to TPAB back to front a lot. I have played it back to front for 3 people too.

Congrats. Like I said before, it's good....but not to the point where it edged out what I already had in my top 10 or even top 30's. If I was limited genre-wise to Hip-Hop and jazz it would probably make the top ten.

The Identity Matrix 12-07-2015 01:07 PM

Is there a thread for the grammy nominations for each year or can I or someone else make one?

grindy 12-07-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix (Post 1657955)
Is there a thread for the grammy nominations for each year or can I or someone else make one?

Go for it.
Although I don't think people care a lot about those.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/197...s-grammy-o.gif

The Identity Matrix 12-07-2015 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1657957)
Go for it.
Although I don't think people care a lot about those.


Oh no I do not want to have a discussion. I want to rant real hard about the geniuses who decided to nominate both Muse's Drones and Slipknot's .5 the Grey Chapters for best rock album. I won't make a thread if nobody is going to bother though.

14232949 12-07-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1657901)
Congrats. Like I said before, it's good....but not to the point where it edged out what I already had in my top 10 or even top 30's. If I was limited genre-wise to Hip-Hop and jazz it would probably make the top ten.

hold up, you think Kendrick Lamar has reached the same level of meme as D'Angelo.

Good lord, I know plenty of even casual music fans that play Kendrick. I don't think his rise in popularity rules out the legitimacy of his music.

TPAB is a really good album, I get that all the music publications are saying that too and that may sour people against it, but it's one of the AOTY!!!!!(1)!!! nominees that deserves the credit. This isn't just blogsheet wank like D'Angelo or To Be Kind, TBAP is actually thoroughly enjoyable.

Same thing with GKMC, I remember people saying similar things about it in 2012, that it wouldn't stand the test of time - that it was overhyped, etc, I still play it 3 years later and I think it's in the top 3 hip-hop albums of all time. Obviously just my opinion but I don't think Kendrick deserves the elitist backlash the same way some other artists do.
I know it can be annoying hearing people drone on about the same albums that music publications are crowing about, you just think "mate you haven't even formed your own opinion" and TBAP isn't faultless but to say it would struggle to reach a Top 30, man, I think you're stretching it a bit there.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1657831)
We can all be a bit hypocritical at times, but I still wouldn't take any list seriously that puts Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp A Butterfly at #1. Not because it isn't a decent record, but because I just don't see anyone revisiting it on a regular basis nor compulsively jamming it back to back with people they know. Same thing applies the D'Angelo album: they seem more like albums that people are are acclaiming because everyone and their grandma is prodding them to do so as opposed to genuinely loving them. The relevancy of these albums culturally shouldn't make people forget that there needs to be a real hook or motif beyond their stories to last beyond the moment.

What a load of bull****, get your elitist head out of your ass. There's nothing that irks me more on music sites than pompous pricks who think an album shouldn't be praised just because it's popular, what a ****ing joke of an argument to try and make.

But whatevs, everybody make sure to completely disregard my opinions because I am proudly and confidently naming TPAB as my album of the year. Obviously that means I should not be taken seriously.

14232949 12-07-2015 04:55 PM

Furthermore, I don't think a problem arises until the media and the public start throwing around assertions that Rapper X is the greatest of all time or has dropped a classic.

What's happening with Kendrick is the same as what's happened with Kanye. They become popular with knowledgeable music fans when they first come out, then they get popular with casual fans. At first the former group of fans are happy about this but then when people say 'wait maybe Kanye is actually really good" so much so that they begin calling him the GOAT or saying MBTDF is a classic. This causes polarization because if it's one thing knowledgeable music fans hate it's going with the consensus.

So half the people turned on Kanye whilst half remained and he divided opinion. The exact same thing is happening with Kendrick. As soon as he starts earning the GOAT and classic plaudits, people turn their back on him.
It's not considered ridiculous for Carly Rae Jepson to feature on every one's AOTY list but if people have To Pimp a Butterfly, oh lordy, they're walking memes.

The only difference is nobody is calling Carly a GOAT, nobody has used the word classic. Despite Kendrick having an objectively much better album, more people will claim to like Carly's more because they feel uneasy about conforming with the 'classic' chatter that the other half of the internet is throwing around.

It's funny coz in a world of post-hipsterism it's the done thing to say you like a really popular popstar, because that's showing you're clearly not an elitist, right? But in this world liking an album that is being praised as a classic perhaps prematurely is preposterous. I can like Taylor Swift but if you like Kendrick Lamar you don't know what you're talking about.

Am I doing this right?

14232949 12-07-2015 05:00 PM

I used the full form of the abbreviation in my first sentence.
So if this is a piss takey thing, not doing it very well.

Frownland 12-07-2015 05:02 PM

Look what you did to their butts, Anteater. They'll never recover from this incredible pain.

14232949 12-07-2015 05:09 PM

Seriously? I don't think I've seen anyone get more wound up than you did when yorkedaddy said he didn't like machine metal music.. You were practically in tears lol

Frownland 12-07-2015 05:12 PM

Ja because I'm always dead serious when I make comments like 'you've clearly never listened to a second of the album before'...

But seriously, the level of butt hurt is strong here (more YD than you, you're at least backing up your opinion).

grindy 12-07-2015 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant (Post 1658048)
I used the full form of the abbreviation in my first sentence.
So if this is a piss takey thing, not doing it very well.

I eventually got it and deleted the comment. No piss taking there either.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 05:18 PM

At least I've never gotten so butthurt that I claimed someone hadn't listened to an album I liked simply because they distinctly didn't like it. Because I mean clearly it's impossible someone could dislike an album I like or not hear the same things in that album that I hear.

14232949 12-07-2015 05:19 PM

I've written a lengthy review if people want further elaboration as to why I think TPAB is more supreme than meme.
Sorry grindy, my bad for being a douche just wasn't sure if serious or not

Frownland 12-07-2015 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658059)
At least I've never gotten so butthurt that I claimed someone hadn't listened to an album I liked simply because they distinctly didn't like it. Because I mean clearly it's impossible someone could dislike an album I like or not hear the same things in that album that I hear.

Nor did you ever get the chance to learn how to interpret sarcasm, obviously.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 05:26 PM

"the stupid **** i said was sarcastic i swear :3 :3 :3 le epic meme xd"

Frownland 12-07-2015 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658066)
"the stupid **** i said was sarcastic i swear :3 :3 :3 le epic meme xd"

I think it might be time for a nap, big guy.

Goofle 12-07-2015 08:04 PM

Carly's album is a lot better than Kendrick's to be fair.

Anteater 12-07-2015 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1658049)
Look what you did to their butts, Anteater. They'll never recover from this incredible pain.

Indeed. And I didn't even say TPAB was a bad record. Hell, I think it's very good. It hit a huge chord with a lot of people who probably wouldn't listen to anything remotely jazz-inflected at gunpoint under normal circumstances. But people said the same "album of the century" stuff a few years back when Kanye West came out with My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, which was also pretty adventurous musically for a hip-hop record. Are those same people still saying that now though? That's why I find it difficult to take a list seriously that just catapults it to the top: it would be the same thing if the Internet existed back in '82 and all the major online publications saying Michael Jackson's Thriller was the most amazing record of that year. It's good....but is it worth drowning out everything else?

I guess time will tell if we're just looking at a case of hype machine gone rampant or not.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1658132)
Indeed. And I didn't even say TPAB was a bad record. Hell, I think it's very good. It hit a huge chord with a lot of people who probably wouldn't listen to anything remotely jazz-inflected at gunpoint under normal circumstances. But people said the same "album of the century" stuff a few years back when Kanye West came out with My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, which was also pretty adventurous musically for a hip-hop record. Are those same people still saying that now though? That's why I find it difficult to take a list that just catapults it to the top: it would be the same thing if the Internet existed back in '82 and everyone said Michael Jackson's Thriller was the most amazing record of that year.

I guess time will tell if we're just looking at a case of hype machine gone rampant or not.

Yet another load of **** garbage ass arrogant post, if someone's favorite album from 1982 is Thriller that does not invalidate their opinion in any way shape or form. You are my least favorite kind of music fan and I'm pretty disgusted with the elitist nonsense you're spewing

Frownland 12-07-2015 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1658132)
Indeed. And I didn't even say TPAB was a bad record. Hell, I think it's very good. It hit a huge chord with a lot of people who probably wouldn't listen to anything remotely jazz-inflected at gunpoint under normal circumstances. But people said the same "album of the century" stuff a few years back when Kanye West came out with My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, which was also pretty adventurous musically for a hip-hop record. Are those same people still saying that now though? That's why I find it difficult to take a list seriously that just catapults it to the top: it would be the same thing if the Internet existed back in '82 and all the major online publications saying Michael Jackson's Thriller was the most amazing record of that year. It's good....but is it worth drowning out everything else?

I guess time will tell if we're just looking at a case of hype machine gone rampant or not.

A lot of my friends talk a lot about the album's importance for the social issues that it discusses, but I find it to be retreading a lot of done issues tbh. That doesn't invalidate it at all and I think he did it well (I quite enjoyed the album, tbh, it'd probably make top 25ish for me), but it's not the groundbreaker that it's made out to be. I also highly agree on MBDTF being the definition of an overhyped record. Yeezus was more deserving of it in my eyes because I liked that album a lot better, but I think that was also given the unnecessary label of innovation.

Back on the general topic, Mondo's new album is actually really ****ing good. He's not just overselling it like I always do, he's got a good reason for it.

Psychedelicious | Math&Science

Anteater 12-07-2015 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658138)
Yet another load of **** garbage ass arrogant post, if someone's favorite album from 1982 is Thriller that does not invalidate their opinion in any way shape or form. You are my least favorite kind of music fan and I'm pretty disgusted with the elitist nonsense you're spewing

Maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension before you start making assumptions about other people. I didn't say anything arrogant or judge people's taste. I said I wouldn't take a list seriously that just throws it at #1 for arbitrary reasons. I never said that invalidates the person making the list too. Your taking things way too personally.

Frownland 12-07-2015 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658138)
Yet another load of **** garbage ass arrogant post, if someone's favorite album from 1982 is Thriller that does not invalidate their opinion in any way shape or form. You are my least favorite kind of music fan and I'm pretty disgusted with the elitist nonsense you're spewing

Cool it on the insults or you'll receive a tempban.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1658141)
Maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension before you start making assumptions about other people. I didn't say anything arrogant or judge people's taste. I said I wouldn't take a list seriously that just throws it at #1 for arbitrary reasons. I never said that invalidates the person making the list too. Your taking things way too personally.

Maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension of your own damn posts considering "for arbitrary reasons" was never stated by you and the fact that you're trying to add that in now is pathetic. The exact quote from a couple pages ago is:

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but I still wouldn't take any list seriously that puts Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp A Butterfly at #1.
That's it. If someone's favorite album of 2015 is TPAB you instantly disregard their opinion. That is the literal, objective translation of what you said. My reading comprehension is working just fine buddy

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1658142)
Cool it on the insults or you'll receive a tempban.

What insults? Calling the dude for what he is aka elitist and arrogant? Or calling him my least favorite kind of music fan? Is that offensive to you?

Anteater 12-07-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1658139)
A lot of my friends talk a lot about the album's importance for the social issues that it discusses, but I find it to be retreading a lot of done issues tbh. That doesn't invalidate it at all and I think he did it well (I quite enjoyed the album, tbh, it'd probably make top 25ish for me), but it's not the groundbreaker that it's made out to be. I also highly agree on MBDTF being the definition of an overhyped record. Yeezus was more deserving of it in my eyes because I liked that album a lot better, but I think that was also given the unnecessary label of innovation.

Back on the general topic, Mondo's new album is actually really ****ing good. He's not just overselling it like I always do, he's got a good reason for it.

Psychedelicious | Math&Science

Agreed with every point. And for what its worth, I actually had TPAB at #45 this year, but I just didn't think it was possible for me to break down everything I liked this year in just one short month unless I kept it to around 30 albums or so. I thought it was below my top 100 at first until I re-checked the list I wrote up a few weeks back lol....

Was unaware that Mondo had something new out. Thanks for the link. :pimp:

Frownland 12-07-2015 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658145)
What insults? Calling the dude for what he is aka elitist and arrogant? Or calling him my least favorite kind of music fan? Is that offensive to you?

Yes. Knock it off or you will have to take a vacation.

The Identity Matrix 12-07-2015 08:26 PM

I apologize if I come off as ignorant or if I am not getting some inside joke. But I fail to see how Anteater, who has gifted me with quite a few new albums to listen to (Toto XIV is actually really good), has had an elitist attitude for not thinking TPAB is the album of the year. It seems to be that Anteater found many other records to simply be better based on what he/she (I do not know, sorry) enjoyed. I get where some are coming from when they talk about going against what the general public is thinking, but it doesn't show any elitism. It just shows a difference in a opinion.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1658147)
Yes. Knock it off or you will have to take a vacation.

Is the power getting to your head? You genuinely think that is tempban worthy? I've called you elitist and arrogant perhaps hundreds of times.

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix (Post 1658148)
I apologize if I come off as ignorant or if I am not getting some inside joke. But I fail to see how Anteater, who has gifted me with quite a few new albums to listen to (Toto XIV is actually really good), has had an elitist attitude for not thinking TPAB is the album of the year. It seems to be that Anteater found many other records to simply be better based on what he/she (I do not know, sorry) enjoyed. I get where some are coming from when they talk about going against what the general public is thinking, but it doesn't show any elitism. It just shows a difference in a opinion.

Did you miss the part where he said he'd disregard any list made by any member that puts TPAB at #1?

Anteater 12-07-2015 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658144)
Maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension of your own damn posts considering "for arbitrary reasons" was never stated by you and the fact that you're trying to add that in now is pathetic. The exact quote from a couple pages ago is:



That's it. If someone's favorite album of 2015 is TPAB you instantly disregard their opinion. That is the literal, objective translation of what you said. My reading comprehension is working just fine buddy

If you can't infer that I would mean it in an arbitrary sense, then you haven't seen my posts enough to know any better. I liked TPAB. I even get the appeal. But if I see a list that looks completely identical to some editor at NPR or Pitchfork, I'm going to wonder if it's a list of albums the person actually listened to and enjoyed or if they were just copying and pasting because they want acceptance. I'm very direct, but I never cut down people like what you happen to be doing here. Do you want me to apologize to you or something? Cause that ain't happenin'.

Frownland 12-07-2015 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658149)
Is the power getting to your head? You genuinely think that is tempban worthy? I've called you elitist and arrogant perhaps hundreds of times.



Did you miss the part where he said he'd disregard any list made by any member that puts TPAB at #1?

Be extra careful to make sure that you're not tossing out personal insults and everything will be fine, then. You've been warned. If I have to act on it and the other mods feel it's out of line, I'm sure that they'll let me know.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1658150)
If you can't infer that I would mean it in an arbitrary sense, then you haven't seen my posts enough to know any better. I liked TPAB. I even get the appeal. But if I see a list that looks completely identical to some editor at NPR or Pitchfork, I'm going to wonder if it's a list of albums the person actually listened to and enjoyed or if they were just copying and pasting because they want acceptance. I'm very direct, but I never cut down people like what you happen to be doing here. Do you want me to apologize to you or something? Cause that ain't happenin'.

Maybe stop making gross elitist posts and we'll get along better

The Identity Matrix 12-07-2015 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658149)
Did you miss the part where he said he'd disregard any list made by any member that puts TPAB at #1?

No, I did not miss that post. I have been keeping up on this thread searching for what albums people enjoyed this year. Obviously there has been a distinct lack of this today. I made the assumption that Anteater meant it in an arbitrary sense. I thought he was specifically looking at casual music fans and the fact that they listen to whatever Pitchfork tells them to listen to, not the whole spectrum of music fans.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 08:38 PM

http://i.imgur.com/nrTKK2s.png

guys i've listened to tracks off this album 333 times it's my 9th most listened to album on all of last.fm is that enough to make my opinion worth listening to or am i just another pitchfork drone who doesn't have a valid opinion??????? if so how many more times do i need to listen to it???????

Frownland 12-07-2015 08:39 PM

Your opinion is valid ffs, quit your whining.

Anteater 12-07-2015 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658157)
http://i.imgur.com/nrTKK2s.png

guys i've listened to tracks off this album 333 times it's my 9th most listened to album on all of last.fm is that enough to make my opinion worth listening to or am i just another pitchfork drone who doesn't have a valid opinion??????? if so how many more times do i need to listen to it???????

Congratulations, your a legitimate fan. Here's a pat on the back.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1658159)
Your opinion is valid ffs, quit your whining.

shhh im seeking validation from anteater not you

The Identity Matrix 12-07-2015 08:41 PM

You are obviously assuming because you put TPAB as your number one album of the year that Anteater was talking about you. I do not believe anyone was talking about your decision to put TPAB as your number one as being a bad one. You made that assumption on your own.

Frownland 12-07-2015 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1658161)
shhh im seeking validation from anteater not you

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1658049)
Look what you did to their butts, Anteater. They'll never recover from this incredible pain.

Hopefully you can find appropriate treatment.

YorkeDaddy 12-07-2015 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix (Post 1658162)
You are obviously assuming because you put TPAB as your number one album of the year that Anteater was talking about you. I do not believe anyone was talking about your decision to put TPAB as your number one as being a bad one. You made that assumption on your own.

No I'm correctly concluding based on the limited information I had that he was talking about the entire subset of people that put TPAB as #1. Because that's objectively what he actually said in his post. With words. Words that I read.

Turns out though I meet the apparent cutoff that validates my opinion. I'd hate to know what he would've said about me if my playcount was lower like <100 or something


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