MicShazam

I almost agree with this, but probably only if we stick to major genres. Some get ridiculously specific to the degree where I doubt I'll hear a single good track in the style.

I still haven't really found the hip hop album for me. Except M.I.A, but I feel like what she does is barely hip hop. I'm probably wrong about that, but her albums really do feel very, very different to me from any rap I've ever heard. Absolutely everything else = blah.

Chula Vista

I've given TS a number of tries to no avail.

What I love about live Zep vs. what I hate about live Dead can be summed up with Dazed and Confused vs. Dark Star.

During the 73 and 75 tours, Dazed could last anywhere from 20 to 45 minutes. The band definitely added a ****load of improvisational jamming that varied depending of their mood on any given night, but they always had certian triggers to maintain a sense of continuity.

1: Bass intro and wah-wah interludes
2: Main vocal theme
3: Fast instrumental and 'oriental' riffs
4: "San Francisco/Achilles Last Stand" or "Woodstock"
5: Violin bow episode leading up to a full bowed crescendo of the main theme from Gustav Holst's Mars, the Bringer of War.
6: Fast guitar solo and battle with Plant
7: Slower tempo solo and 'funky' moods
8: Violent breaks and call and response interlude
9: Faster solo in crescendos and occasional break-up tempo, some occasions combined with "Walter's Walk" or "St. Tristan's Sword"
10: New arrangement of Mars, the Bringer of War (slow and fast versions) and final frenzy
11: Return to main theme
12: Coda. Final instrumental and vocal battle inside syncopated rhythms, drum-solo and final explosion.

With Dark Star the Dead would start with the basic framework of the song and then just wander aimlessly. Every now and then it worked but mostly it was just a mess because of the lack of a sense of overall structure.

Some people dig that. I don't.

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Frownland

Maybe don't expect Led Zeppelin from a band that isn't Led Zeppelin? Just a thought.

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Chula Vista

I'm just explaining why I dig Zep and don't dig The Dead.



Maybe don't expect peas to taste like buttered corn? Just a thought.

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The Batlord

Nah, MIA is a pop artist with hip hop mixed in. What do and don't you like about hip hop? I think it's one of the more restricted genres of music out there, but it's still pretty diverse because every genre is probably.

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MicShazam

Basically, you're saying Dead don't manage to keep things interesting when playing extended songs live, while Zep manages to keep things dynamic and surprising. At least that's what I took away from it.

Chula Vista

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(he gets me, he really gets me )

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Janszoon

I agree. Or at least I think there's an album out there for me for every kind of music.

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MicShazam

I've just seen her categorized as hip hop many times, but every site might have it's own opinion about an artist. I often disagree with Allmusic's categorizations, for example, even if if they're sort of the IMDB of music.

The basic template of hip hop is just incredibly dull to me: Looped beats with mostly rhythmically oriented vocals tracks on top. Often very little in the way of key changes or any notable chord changes. Low on melody too, although it can appear. When hip hop gets a bit more interesting, it's usually through vocal manipulation and weirder sampling. The problem is that soundscapes, beats and lyrics aren't what I love about music. I'm very big on melody, chord structures, key changes, forward moving song structures... exactly the things hip hop mostly ignores.

EDIT: Plus I tend to like traditional singing the most. There are exceptions, but my favorite singers tend towards artists with a trained voice, several octave vocal span, ability to consistently hit the right notes, etc.

Trollheart

Given the title of the album, and your question to Ped, then yes. Yes there is.

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