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Old 07-16-2008, 09:45 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Nope I really don't like the Smiths or Morrissey anymore.
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sweet nothing openly flaunts the fact that he is merely the empty shell of an even more unadmirable member. his loneliness and need for attention bleeds through every letter he types. edit: i would just like to add that i'm ashamed that he's from texas. surely you didn't grow up in texas, did you sweet nothing?
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:09 AM   #92 (permalink)
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"Joy Division were not punk but were directly inspired by its energy."
Which pretty much sums up any post punk band.

All this talk of punk & goth must have been done by deaf people.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:02 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Yeah, U2's early stuff would be best described as that.
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:54 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Just getting into this band and already love them. I have Unknown Pleasures, Closer, and Substance so far and am looking to get Les Bains Douches, Still, and Warsaw.

Disorder, Atmosphere, Dead Souls, Love Will Tear Us Apart, Isolation, Digital, etc. etc. etc. So many good songs, both their studio albums are nearly flawless.

IMO, I think that there are some songs on Substance that definitely sound like they could be considered punk to me. However, I don't think any of the songs on Unknown Pleasures or Closer could be directly called punk.
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Old 04-01-2009, 01:08 PM   #95 (permalink)
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^^ the peel sessions are really amazing too
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Old 04-01-2009, 03:55 PM   #96 (permalink)
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could I get my hands on that?
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Old 04-01-2009, 03:55 PM   #97 (permalink)
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If you can try to get your hands on a live album called 'Let the Movie Begin'. Its has live tracks on it that span their entire career its interesting to here their earlier, 'punk' songs. Also you can notice Ian's voice sounds alot higher in their Warsaw days.
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Closer and Unknown Pleasure are both class,but I love Still,the live versions of Ceremony and Sister Ray are particularly outstanding

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Old 04-02-2009, 07:51 AM   #99 (permalink)
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I don't even think I would class JOY DIVISION as punk, but that's just nit picking. DAY OF THE LORDS is my favourite track of theirs, great atmosphere.
Any fans should check out the film 24 HOUR PARTY PEOPLE which is the story of FACTORY records who had some great bands on it's roster-JOY DIVISION, NEW ORDER etc.

Also there is a film about IAN CURTIS'S life due out very soon with an unknown playing CURTIS-it's got very positive reviews.
This dvd is in my videotec. Love will tear... is a masterpiece.
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While I can't say that I'm totally familiar with Joy Division as an oeuvre, I've always heard that it, and following it New Order, are amongst those credited with pioneering, in inchoate form, the UK underground/rave scene which manifested in the late 80's and early 90's (before it became legal and "legitimate", a commodity to be expolited and finally petered out in the late 90's/early00's, when drugging and clubbing became unfashionable).

I have not seen "24 Hour Party People", but I believe that it deals with just this issue.

It is interesting that punk in the mid 70's, seen as "socially deviant" genre in the UK by "authority" at the time, was followed by post-punk (which is where Joy Division fits into the picture, I take it?) and new wave in the late 70's, which continued throughout the 80's and culminated in the underground rave movement of the late 80's and early 90's, also seen by some at the time as "socially deviant". Is this "genealogy" correct? I do stand corrected...
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