Joy Division (lyrics, dance, punk, genre, Atmosphere)

sweet_nothing · 07-16-2008, 09:45 AM

Nope I really don't like the Smiths or Morrissey anymore.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-16-2008, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

"Joy Division were not punk but were directly inspired by its energy."

Which pretty much sums up any post punk band.

All this talk of punk & goth must have been done by deaf people.

Alfred · 07-16-2008, 12:02 PM

Yeah, U2's early stuff would be best described as that.

midnight rain · 04-01-2009, 12:54 PM

Just getting into this band and already love them. I have Unknown Pleasures, Closer, and Substance so far and am looking to get Les Bains Douches, Still, and Warsaw.

Disorder, Atmosphere, Dead Souls, Love Will Tear Us Apart, Isolation, Digital, etc. etc. etc. So many good songs, both their studio albums are nearly flawless.

IMO, I think that there are some songs on Substance that definitely sound like they could be considered punk to me. However, I don't think any of the songs on Unknown Pleasures or Closer could be directly called punk.

cardboard adolescent · 04-01-2009, 01:08 PM

^^ the peel sessions are really amazing too

Kevorkian Logic · 04-01-2009, 03:55 PM

^
could I get my hands on that?

sweet_nothing · 04-01-2009, 03:55 PM

@zzz
If you can try to get your hands on a live album called 'Let the Movie Begin'. Its has live tracks on it that span their entire career its interesting to here their earlier, 'punk' songs. Also you can notice Ian's voice sounds alot higher in their Warsaw days.

Gate 49 · 04-01-2009, 06:24 PM

Closer and Unknown Pleasure are both class,but I love Still,the live versions of Ceremony and Sister Ray are particularly outstanding

ikvat · 04-02-2009, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer

I don't even think I would class JOY DIVISION as punk, but that's just nit picking. DAY OF THE LORDS is my favourite track of theirs, great atmosphere.
Any fans should check out the film 24 HOUR PARTY PEOPLE which is the story of FACTORY records who had some great bands on it's roster-JOY DIVISION, NEW ORDER etc.

Also there is a film about IAN CURTIS'S life due out very soon with an unknown playing CURTIS-it's got very positive reviews.

This dvd is in my videotec. Love will tear... is a masterpiece.

Neil Loots · 04-09-2009, 03:50 PM

While I can't say that I'm totally familiar with Joy Division as an oeuvre, I've always heard that it, and following it New Order, are amongst those credited with pioneering, in inchoate form, the UK underground/rave scene which manifested in the late 80's and early 90's (before it became legal and "legitimate", a commodity to be expolited and finally petered out in the late 90's/early00's, when drugging and clubbing became unfashionable).

I have not seen "24 Hour Party People", but I believe that it deals with just this issue.

It is interesting that punk in the mid 70's, seen as "socially deviant" genre in the UK by "authority" at the time, was followed by post-punk (which is where Joy Division fits into the picture, I take it?) and new wave in the late 70's, which continued throughout the 80's and culminated in the underground rave movement of the late 80's and early 90's, also seen by some at the time as "socially deviant". Is this "genealogy" correct? I do stand corrected...

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Kevorkian Logic Imperfectly Perfect Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,290	^ could I get my hands on that? __________________ "it is only through a limitless accumulation of the imperfect that a certain type of perfection can be attained"

04-01-2009, 06:24 PM	#98 (permalink)
Gate 49 Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Upsidedownland Posts: 72	Closer and Unknown Pleasure are both class,but I love Still,the live versions of Ceremony and Sister Ray are particularly outstanding Last edited by Gate 49; 04-01-2009 at 06:25 PM. Reason: Thick Geordie moment

04-01-2009, 12:54 PM	#94 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	Just getting into this band and already love them. I have Unknown Pleasures, Closer, and Substance so far and am looking to get Les Bains Douches, Still, and Warsaw. Disorder, Atmosphere, Dead Souls, Love Will Tear Us Apart, Isolation, Digital, etc. etc. etc. So many good songs, both their studio albums are nearly flawless. IMO, I think that there are some songs on Substance that definitely sound like they could be considered punk to me. However, I don't think any of the songs on Unknown Pleasures or Closer could be directly called punk.

04-01-2009, 01:08 PM	#95 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	^^ the peel sessions are really amazing too

04-09-2009, 03:50 PM	#100 (permalink)
Neil Loots Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 51	While I can't say that I'm totally familiar with Joy Division as an oeuvre, I've always heard that it, and following it New Order, are amongst those credited with pioneering, in inchoate form, the UK underground/rave scene which manifested in the late 80's and early 90's (before it became legal and "legitimate", a commodity to be expolited and finally petered out in the late 90's/early00's, when drugging and clubbing became unfashionable). I have not seen "24 Hour Party People", but I believe that it deals with just this issue. It is interesting that punk in the mid 70's, seen as "socially deviant" genre in the UK by "authority" at the time, was followed by post-punk (which is where Joy Division fits into the picture, I take it?) and new wave in the late 70's, which continued throughout the 80's and culminated in the underground rave movement of the late 80's and early 90's, also seen by some at the time as "socially deviant". Is this "genealogy" correct? I do stand corrected...