Babes In Toyland -- better than Nirvana

Black Francis · 02-21-2015, 09:10 AM

That whole deal with Kurt's death has become fan fiction heaven with everybody filling the blanks with their own theories.

You guys made a great point that Kurt himself was a on a downward spiral to begin with and Nirvana's fame and wealth made it worse however blaming that for his death its like making excuses for Kurt.

Just like some ppl think its ok he did he did heroin cause he had stomach pain.
I really don't know How Kurt was like as a person but i know he was the full on junkie type not a casual user and that path was gonna take him down famous or not.

Maybe he could've recovered from it or maybe it would've consumed him eventually but sadly, that's something we'll never know now.

Mondo Bungle · 02-21-2015, 01:02 PM

Kurt was punk as **** regardless

Guybrush · 02-21-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Kurt was punk as **** regardless

What's so punk about Kurt? Sad teenager thrown out of the house by his parents, depressed junkie, gets pushed around by his abusive wife, kills himself .. Socially, he's described as a quiet guy, a listener.

Someone like Johnny Rotten I can see being punk as ****, but why Kurt?

Mondo Bungle · 02-21-2015, 07:12 PM

Dude was too punk rock to live

I dunno man, I'm sure we have different definitions of what makes someone "punk", and you're a lot smarter than me so I'll just end up being argued into the ground. I just thought he had that attitude. And the fact that all he wanted to do was rock, and didn't want any of the ultra-hype he got.

Neapolitan · 02-21-2015, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

I guess if MTV had accepted the responsibility mystical crow thinks they have, they should've said "Sorry Nirvana - Kurt, Dave Grohl and that other guy - we just can't play your music videos. We know you're generating a real buzz and that your shit's awesome .. but if you guys get very rich and famous, and Kurt can't handle that and kills himself, then it would actually be our fault for giving you guys this opportunity other bands would kill for."

It doesn't make sense, does it? It's like someone giving you a million dollars and then you complain to them that you don't like being rich - and hold them accountable for making you depressed. It's the ultimate douche bag first world problem joke

What I said had to do with your comment concerning mystical crow's morals. I didn't agree with everything said in the OP. But I see the point made by mystical crow in that one part that you quoted. I was trying to point to the irony of you critiquing mystical crow's morals when we are talking about a company (MTV) that doesn't have a high standards of morals.

Chula Vista · 02-21-2015, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Dude was too punk rock to live

He was punk enough to wear that god awful sweater during their MTV unplugged gig. 100% punk.

Mondo Bungle · 02-21-2015, 08:21 PM

He dressed like a bum at all times

Black Francis · 02-21-2015, 08:24 PM

i always thought that sweater looked itchy.

Neapolitan · 02-21-2015, 11:50 PM

I thought it was 60's kitsch.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Guybrush · 02-22-2015, 03:49 AM

I dunno, if punk simply means being honest about who you are and what sort of music you make, that would make a lot of people punk rock as fuck, like Miles Davis, Kate Bush, Frank Zappa or even Andy Kaufman - really, any artist who follow their own vision rather than pander to the audience.

And if that's called being punk, then there should be a better word for it as people were doing that, take The Monks or Velvet Underground f.ex, long before punk ever existed. Punk should have no right to claim ownership of that particular artistic ideal.

In my opinion, a punk attitude should have something to do with proactive rebellion against society, or some aspect of it - and more so than daring to wear a comfy sweater.

02-21-2015, 09:10 AM	#21 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	That whole deal with Kurt's death has become fan fiction heaven with everybody filling the blanks with their own theories. You guys made a great point that Kurt himself was a on a downward spiral to begin with and Nirvana's fame and wealth made it worse however blaming that for his death its like making excuses for Kurt. Just like some ppl think its ok he did he did heroin cause he had stomach pain. I really don't know How Kurt was like as a person but i know he was the full on junkie type not a casual user and that path was gonna take him down famous or not. Maybe he could've recovered from it or maybe it would've consumed him eventually but sadly, that's something we'll never know now. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

02-21-2015, 08:24 PM	#28 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	i always thought that sweater looked itchy. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

02-22-2015, 03:49 AM	#30 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I dunno, if punk simply means being honest about who you are and what sort of music you make, that would make a lot of people punk rock as fuck, like Miles Davis, Kate Bush, Frank Zappa or even Andy Kaufman - really, any artist who follow their own vision rather than pander to the audience. And if that's called being punk, then there should be a better word for it as people were doing that, take The Monks or Velvet Underground f.ex, long before punk ever existed. Punk should have no right to claim ownership of that particular artistic ideal. In my opinion, a punk attitude should have something to do with proactive rebellion against society, or some aspect of it - and more so than daring to wear a comfy sweater. __________________ Something Completely Different