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Lucem Ferre · 09-09-2018, 05:14 PM

And there is this idea that socialism isn't economically viable. That's most of what I hear from people that argue against it.

But yeah, I have friends that spread the anti socialism and anti Marxist rhetoric with out a true understanding of either then turn around and say something extremely Marxist.

The Batlord · 09-09-2018, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

And there is this idea that socialism isn't economically viable. That's most of what I hear from people that argue against it.

But yeah, I have friends that spread the anti socialism and anti Marxist rhetoric with out a true understanding of either then turn around and say something extremely Marxist.

Watched a Contrapoints video talking to another socialist Youtuber where they made the point that the reason liberalism and socialism are a hard sell is that they're more complicated to explain than conservatism. All you need to say about conservatism is that it's wrong for the government to take your money and you've got an audience of people who may or may not know anything about the specifics, but with liberalism you need to explain those specifics and it's a hindrance to being accessible. Tried finding the video and this might be it but I don't know. The other person is good too.

The Batlord · 09-09-2018, 06:43 PM

But to people who are actually trying to figure out what your policies are you have to put in some extra legwork to explain the added government involvement. Otherwise it's just Bernie Bros who're masturbating at the thought of sticking it to Republicans and corporations.

The Batlord · 09-09-2018, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

socialist ideas are more about the middle class than anything

it's about eliminating poverty as well, but you talk about it like it's supposed to be selfless sacrifice of benevolent love

ie socialized medicine is not for the poor who already (in theory) qualify for healthcare paid for by the government under band-aid hybrid capitalism

So what you're saying is that you support the continued oppression of the poor. I mean I get that the American economic system has disenfranchised people who might otherwise be legit proletariat with the rise of the service industry but we're not talking about ****ing old school Russia or China.

This is your ****ing problem, moron. Who the **** do you think you're trying to appeal to?

The Batlord · 09-09-2018, 07:12 PM

Dude, I know full well that the reason that Soviet and Chinese socialism failed was because they didn't have a proletariat, only peasants with no means of production to seize, so they had to enact a stop gap measure to build up their industrial sector to the point that they'd have a proletariat to finish the revolution but clearly by the time that might have happened they had a dictatorship that now had no interest in giving power to them.

But in already industrialized nations all you have to do to stave off revolution is to create unions and give them a minimum wage and boom they're well off enough to not care about seizing anything. In late stage capitalism the current class structure is the best you're going to get. Deal with it and stop wishing for the perfect Marx situation. It's not happening.

windsock · 09-09-2018, 07:19 PM

So this is the second socialism thread then?

The Batlord · 09-09-2018, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

actually I see the modern wave of socialism as more true to Marx than the Soviets and Mao ever were, I can't say if it'll go anywhere but it's no joke that in the US people are not afraid of the word anymore

the workplaces were never democratized in the "communist" regimes, where workers running the factories is the idea that matters the most

The **** are you talking about? "Socialism" is absolutely a dirty word. You can't even say "liberal" without "progressives" ducking the word cause they're cowed by conservatives. You seriously have no realistic concept of politics.

Freebase Dali · 09-10-2018, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

lol that dorky ****ing hair and shirt

Nah, see... I was the first motherf*cker to make fun of homeboy Anteater's hair, told him it was lost in the '80s. But you see, there are very f*cking good vibes outta that era. Even to this day. All relevant. You ever heard Wild Nothing? That band is the soundtrack to Anteater's hair. Old, but new. Sexy the whole time. You gotta get your f*cking facts straight.

The Batlord · 09-10-2018, 07:14 AM

That's a whole lotta nothing to defend AV club hair with delusions of coolness.

Anteater · 09-10-2018, 08:37 AM

Normally my hair is spikier, but it just lays out like that naturally when I don't do anything to it.