We don't have much choice

The non-christians can call a day where they share presents and have the day of christmas. Most people know Santa more than jesus anyway.

Why do you think this vanilla.

being uber cynical here, do you really think most people genuinly treat christmas as a celebration of the birth of jesus? a lot of the people who celebrate christmas arent religious at all, me being one of them. they use christmas as a time to spend with their family in a loving environment. perhaps the wrong reasons, but reasons nonetheless.

me and my wife actually attended church on christmas day, and i can say from that experiance, yes alot of people do treat christmas as a celebration of the birth of jesus. not everyone, and not most for that matter but alot do. Now im not implying that everyone shoud go be die hard christians or abandon christmas. I was in fact, pointing out how plenty of people completely disregard religion and then turn around and expect gifts on a religious holiday. It would be like me asking for kwanzaa off at work or celebrating Chandramana Yugardi even though i have no faith or belief in those religions. So i can kinda agree with Vanilla, and Mr Sensitives reply is a good example of what i was refering to.

True!, but Kwanzaa and chandramana yugardi are not rammed down our throats from late September every year by the media and shops wanting your $$$. Not one of them imply it's a religious celebration either, just an excuse for shopkeepers to line their pockets

HO HO HO!

Jesus was born in spring. Christmas is an old pagan celebration
to illuminate the dark time. It's also a consumerist pain in the ass.

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I left all my presents in a cab. :beer:

The worst thing i can think of is exhaustion. Christmas is such a tiring holiday.

...Tiring holiday...

Those two words should not be together.

Because isn't it logical? If you are Christian, you celebrate Christmas as when Jesus was born. If you arn't, then you are taking part in a Christian celebration that you don't even believe in.

I admit, it is very commerial, but it really bugs me when non-believers get down on Christians for why they are celebrating. I mean who really has the cheek to do that?

It would be like celebrating Chanukah when you're not Jewish. Or eating pork when you are a vegetarian.

Shouldn't that have read "when jesus was supposedly born".